Wandsworth issuing PCNs to "speeding" cyclists on Tooting Bec Common

[Earl Aelfheah]

19 hours ago, Spartacus said:

Why don't you both provide recent photos of the relevant signs so everyone reading this can see what they say.

I don't think there is any disagreement on what the signs say. Rocks 'killer point' was just that the sign says there is a 5 mph speed limit. It's not the revelation he thinks.

19 hours ago, Spartacus said:

Are you all in the same retirement home or different ones as you seem to spend all your days posting? 🤣

🤣 This is a fair point. It's possible I am easily distracted from what I should be doing on occasion 😉.

Edited Wednesday at 15:12 by Earl Aelfheah

[Dulwich dweller]

The Internet and social media has a lot to answer for. This thread is bonkers 😆

[Rockets]

14 hours ago, Spartacus said:

Are you all in the same retirement home or different ones as you seem to spend all your days posting? 🤣

We were but I used to unicycle around the main living room area and some people didn't like my, what they considered, inconsiderate cycling and @Earl Aelfheah and I got into a row because they tried to claim I wasn't on a bike but a single-wheeled traction engine and so shouldn't be claiming I was a cyclist. I got moved to another home where people are more embracing of all forms of cycling! 😉

[malumbu]

9 hours ago, Dulwich dweller said:

The Internet and social media has a lot to answer for. This thread is bonkers 😆

Nope I think whilst amusing not quite right.  People with strong views (including me?) will often support them with quotes from news outlets and other sources of data, perhaps at times selectively.  Worthy of a separate thread.

Personal experience is also valuable.  I can say hand on heart cycling can be more hazardous due to poor riding by delivery cyclists.  Obviously you have to be more aware.  And similarly that pedestrians are more likely to walk out in front of me, being on their screen.  Again whether I am cycling, driving and at times walking, need to be aware and taking action to minimise hazard.

Whether 1000s of of cyclists are killed or seriously injured due to illegal ebikes, or 1000s of pedestrians dying due to not looking before crossing, I don't know.  

 And yes happy to discuss bonkers conspiracy theories too and how social media drives this - Zelensky and his international property portfolio being one of my recent faves.  I've read it on line, and no way could it be Russian misinformation.  

 

[Dulwich dweller]

12 hours ago, malumbu said:

Nope I think whilst amusing not quite right. 

In your opinion which I respect.

[Rockets]

Here you go - here are the signs that can be found around the park at the entrance points of the shared-use route - this is the one near the Court Lane entrance. One blue circle sign giving a mandatory order (these groups only) and a red circle sign indicating a prohibition on said route (speed limit).

 

 

 

[Spartacus]

Thanks 

I am reading that as a shared space only for pedestrians, dogs and cyclists. With a maximum speed of 5 mph for all, including cyclists. 

Someone else maybe able to interpret it differently (if my understanding is not correct) 

Doesn't mention cars or horses allowed 

@Earl Aelfheah have yiu got photos of a different sign saying otherwise? 

[Earl Aelfheah]

You can take it as you like. Read my previous post. What’s the byelaw that makes a 5mph limit for people on bicycles (or for dogs, or for people on foot for that matter) legally enforceable?

Councils can’t make law via a sign.

And if you read that sign in the way you suggest, there are going to be a lot of dogs getting nicked 🤣

Edited 10 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Spartacus]

Ahhh 

The beautybif a cyclists logic, ignoring signs they "think" don't apply to them. 

That explains the red light problem 🤣

[Rockets]

3 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Councils can’t make law via a sign.

But they can set a speed limit for cycles on a shared-use route. And they have. It's 5mph!

So @Earl Aelfheah you now seem to be saying the council don't have the authority to do this or enforce this? 

Your tune has changed a bit hasnt it?

Can you perhaps share with us how you interpret the signs that are all around the shared-use route around Dulwich Park? 

Or maybe share the signs that you are so sure exist to counter this?

 

 

[Earl Aelfheah]

On 06/01/2026 at 19:34, Earl Aelfheah said:

Without a bye-law or other specific statutory regulation applying to the parkland, any speed-limit sign in a park is not legally enforceable. It might act as a guidance or policy notice but not a legal obligation enforceable in court.

👆as I already said.

Presumanly applying your logic, the 5mph limit also applies to dogs and to people on foot. Is that correct?
 

Makes Parkrun interesting.