Ryedale SE22 - Proposal to block end of Ryedale at junction of Underhill Road - January 2026

[rjsmall]

2 hours ago, Insuflo said:

My question was a genuine one, not rhetorical. No need to move, just use Dunstans or go around via Langton Rise and Wood Vale; would that be a massive inconvenience?

All traffic order changes will produce winners and losers, in terms of convenience, journey times, noise etc. The 18 months of this trial will surely show if the benefits for those on Ryedale are justified by any detriments to the wider area.

Why should residents of Dunstans, Langton Rise or Wood Vale bear the consequences of Ryedale being restricted? Rather than winners or losers perhaps residents on Ryedale should accept they live on a road that is used because it is a convenient route.

[Penguin68]

8 minutes ago, rjsmall said:

esidents on Ryedale should accept they live on a road that is used because it is a convenient route.

As indeed do the residents in the other alternate streets. As do I in Underhill. Suddenly a rush hour street for those having to access or leave the South Circular as other routes have been sealed. 

[Insuflo]

The residents on one side of Langton Rise and Wood Vale have absolutely no objections, of that I am certain.

[Penguin68]

No doubt the council will be treating their silence as 'votes' in favour of their proposals. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

Most traffic used to go down Dunstans Road, turning at the lights on to Forest Hill Road. Now Waze etc, diverts a lot of traffic down Rye Dale in order to avoid the lights. I imagine that residents have seen a big increase in traffic over the last few years.

The lights allow you to manage flow; A significant increase in the number of vehicles using Rye dale to cut them out, will disrupt that flow and slow traffic on Forest Hill Road.

I suspect this is why they're proposing this trial.

Worth pushing the council to do proper baselining and monitor the impact properly. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Sue]

51 minutes ago, Penguin68 said:

The thing to remember is that Mal can have no impact on Southwark elections, at least as regards not being a Southwark resident or elector. His constant commentary on what is happening in our borough is wholly disinterested, in the sense he has no 'interest' in Southwark, at least as regards residence. 

Several people post on here who aren't eligible to vote in Southwark elections.

Some of them live only just outside the boundary and come to East Dulwich frequently.

Are you suggesting they shouldn't have an opinion on East Dulwich matters, and if they do, they shouldn't share it on here?

Edited 3 hours ago by Sue

[Rockets]

5 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Most traffic used to go down Dunstans Road, turning at the lights on to Forest Hill Road. Now Waze etc, diverts a lot of traffic down Rye Dale in order to avoid the lights. I imagine that residents have seen a big increase in traffic over the last few years.

I bet they saw a big jump after Southwark put in the Dulwich LTNs!

I don't think you can pin this on Waze because it goes against the algorithm and the way Waze works - far more likely people can see down Dunstans that there is a car or van coming the other way and turn onto Ryedale via one of the cross routes knowing full well that you can get stuck along Dunstans.

Now they will just get stuck on Dunstans - maybe this is the nudge plan Southwark are hoping for...meanwhile the poor Dunstans residents have to live with the fall out.

[Earl Aelfheah]

4 minutes ago, Rockets said:

I bet they saw a big jump after Southwark put in the Dulwich LTNs!

I don't think you can pin this on Waze because it goes against the algorithm and the way Waze works - far more likely people can see down Dunstans that there is a car or van coming the other way and turn onto Ryedale via one of the cross routes knowing full well that you can get stuck along Dunstans.

Now they will just get stuck on Dunstans - maybe this is the nudge plan Southwark are hoping for...meanwhile the poor Dunstans residents have to live with the fall out.

Are you talking about Calton Avenue? How's that having an impact on Ryedale? 

Waze does direct people down Ryedale - that's exactly how it works. It's very slightly quicker to cut out the lights. But it slows down cars on Forest Hill Road. Waze it trying to optimise an individuals journey, but that doesn't mean it's optimising at a macro level. It's absolutely not.

Edited 2 hours ago by Earl Aelfheah

[Rockets]

18 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Are you talking about Calton Avenue? How's that having an impact on Ryedale? 

When Southwark put in the Dulwich LTNs cars started looking for alternative routes to the Lordship Lane/Grove Tavern route due to the congestion leading down to Melford. The traffic started cutting up Underhill (it's why Southwark did not monitor Underhill as that was where much of displaced traffic from the LTN was going).

19 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Waze does direct people down Ryedale - that's exactly how it works.

Only if the Waze community of drivers are going more slowly along other routes or there is some form of user-reported blockage on the app.

[Moovart]

I believe that of Ryedale, St Dunstans and St Aidan's Roads, Ryedale is actually the widest of the three roads so actually makes sense for more traffic to go up and down Ryedale. 

I think the scheme as proposed will cause worsening congestion and blockages in St Dunstans and St Aidan's but maybe this is just the beginning of a bigger plan to close all three roads and direct all traffic up and down Barry Road and Wood Vale or to introduce a one way system to St Dunstans and St Aidan's 🤔

You can comment on the Southwark website if you have a view 

https://engage.southwark.gov.uk/en-GB/projects/ryedale-traffic-scheme

[Earl Aelfheah]

34 minutes ago, Rockets said:

When Southwark put in the Dulwich LTNs cars started looking for alternative routes to the Lordship Lane/Grove Tavern route due to the congestion leading down to Melford. The traffic started cutting up Underhill (it's why Southwark did not monitor Underhill as that was where much of displaced traffic from the LTN was going).

Oh Ok, it's just the usual. A filter on Calton Avenue is not having an impact on Ryedale. Waze absolutely has done. It always tries to direct me down that road, which I ignore.

34 minutes ago, Rockets said:

Only if the Waze community of drivers are going more slowly along other routes or there is some form of user-reported blockage on the app.

No, it directs you down there to avoid the lights and possibly save 30 seconds. But it leads to more cars having to slow down on Forest Hill road as cars stop to manoeuvre in and out of Rye dale. Waze only looks to optimise the individual journey not to improve flow across the wider system.

Edited 1 hour ago by Earl Aelfheah

[alice]

R. and  EA .  Do you two ever agree on anything?

[Earl Aelfheah]

I'm not really taking a position on this proposal, just pointing out what may have lead to it. 

I can see the rationale. I guess we'll find out what impact it actually has when the trial starts.

[Angelina]

I think the question is more how the council can make decisions unchallenged based on a very basic questionnaire and who their friends are

[malumbu]

Nothing like a good conspiracy eh?

But yey!  Another thread that shows yet again the issue is about many drivers continuing to make poor decisions about using their vehicles.   The smartest decision is often not to use it at all and use other means to travel.  

[alice]

I would like to reduce vehicle use, especially on the road on which I live

[Rockets]

16 minutes ago, malumbu said:

But yey!  Another thread that shows yet again the issue is about many drivers continuing to make poor decisions about using their vehicles.   The smartest decision is often not to use it at all and use other means to travel.  

Alternatively, another thread exposing the nonsense our council does in the name of active travel which actually makes problems worse.

1 hour ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Oh Ok, it's just the usual. A filter on Calton Avenue is not having an impact on Ryedale. Waze absolutely has done. It always tries to direct me down that road, which I ignore.

@Earl Aelfheah traffic trying to avoid congestion caused by the closure of one of the only East/West routes across Dulwich by using Underhill is very much to do with the Dulwich LTNs. Displacement impact travels a long way. Many posters on here have talked about the big increase in traffic along Underhill post LTNs.

Are you using Ryedale/Dunstan's etc as a rat-run then?

28 minutes ago, Angelina said:

I think the question is more how the council can make decisions unchallenged based on a very basic questionnaire and who their friends are

Absolutely. They seem to wilfully ignore constituent feedback to their own consultations but are happy to embrace the scribbled input from a few folks on one road. It's scandalous.

 

[Angelina]

9 minutes ago, Rockets said:

Absolutely. They seem to wilfully ignore constituent feedback to their own consultations but are happy to embrace the scribbled input from a few folks on one road. It's scandalous.

This is exactly it; they choose what they want regardless of how it affects people; in this case it’s far too clear that it’s a personal preference rather than any balanced consideration 

Edited 22 minutes ago by Angelina