FOI responses or research on braking and turning around LTNs and School Streets

[malumbu]

That view is really sad.  That streets could be so much nicer, people walking more yet you dismiss this.  If you recall it continued when the social distancing rules were progressively relaxed during lock down.

Don't you think that this was a good thing?

I hate to tell you the Dulwich LTN is here to stay for the foreseeable future.  Well I don't actually hate telling you. 

[Earl Aelfheah]

13 hours ago, Rockets said:

Come on @Earl Aelfheah I have explained this to you so many times before - previous council active travel interventions, namely the Dulwich OHS intervention whilst Calton/Court Lane DV junction was still open to traffic INCREASED pollution at the junction. How do we know know that....because it was part of the council's report into the measures when they used to monitor such things....

Increased congestion means an increase in pollution....and what does LTNs create....congestion....

This is absolute nonsense.

There is no evidence that the LTN increased congestion. Vehicle counts show the opposite - traffic decreased in the year after the LTN was implemented. 

There is no evidence that the LTN increased pollution, air quality modelling pre-implementation predicted a fall in pollution, and air quality monitoring post implementation confirmed that pollution did indeed fall.

15 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

Of course, Rockets will be here to tell you again (with no evidence at all) that pollution has increased. It hasn't.

It's as predictable as it is tedious.

12 hours ago, malumbu said:

Don't be silly, you well know that the mayor exaggerated the impact of ULEZ. 

Something Rocks made a big thing about, but now washes over for convenience. Much like he smears academics, who he then quotes as authoritative sources when it suits his predetermined view on something. He's not remotely interested in good faith debate.

[beansprout]

Funny isn’t it, when you look back.. Govt says only 1 hour walking in fresh air a day, stay  away from people, don’t mingle or make contact with other people and we as a nation do exactly, in the majority of cases as they state.. and yet, as pandemic was being eased and managed by other countries a darn site better than us.. we still just do as we are told! Lambs to the slaughter springs to mind..

Now a days, hate driving in London… always jams, roads being closed off for whatever reason. Much faster to walk… not stuck in jams be it cars or buses with germs and bugs all round as few people wear masks these days and those  that I have seen who do tend to be from Asian cultures..

Goes to show, what we as a nation have not learnt re mask wearing… common sense — 

 

[Rockets]

40 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

This is absolute nonsense.

But, again, you are wrong @Earl Aelfheah. The original redesign of the junction (I remind you, and just to be 100% clear, this was BEFORE the junction was closed to traffic - you seem to be confusing the OHS intervention with the LTN) led to an increase in pollution because of the traffic queuing to turn right from DV onto Calton. The council actually called it out in their own report (probably the last transparent report around an active travel intervention they published).

40 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

There is no evidence that the LTN increased congestion.

Except of course the daily lines of queuing traffic on Dulwich Village or heading out on Lordship Lane towards the Grove Tavern to name but two. But, you know, if the council's monitoring says it is not happening then we must all believe everything they say and not question it. Ever. For they have spoken and everything they say if the absolute truth.

The number of vehicles on London's roads has been decreasing for years yet congestion gets worse and worse and, ahead of their transport hearings, the London Assembly quoted a figure of £3.85bn, which was the estimated cost of congestion in 2024 in the city.

Edited 13 hours ago by Rockets

[ianr]

6 hours ago, Rockets said:

you seem to be confusing the OHS intervention with the LTN) led to an increase in pollution because of the traffic queuing to turn right from DV onto Calton. The council actually called it out in their own report (probably the last transparent report around an active travel intervention they published).

Quotation and/or reference please.

Edited 7 hours ago by ianr
(?) Typo / unnoticed auto-completion

[malumbu]

7 hours ago, beansprout said:

Funny isn’t it, when you look back.. Govt says only 1 hour walking in fresh air a day, stay  away from people, don’t mingle or make contact with other people and we as a nation do exactly, in the majority of cases as they state.. and yet, as pandemic was being eased and managed by other countries a darn site better than us.. we still just do as we are told! Lambs to the slaughter springs to mind..

Now a days, hate driving in London… always jams, roads being closed off for whatever reason. Much faster to walk… not stuck in jams be it cars or buses with germs and bugs all round as few people wear masks these days and those  that I have seen who do tend to be from Asian cultures..

Goes to show, what we as a nation have not learnt re mask wearing… common sense — 

 

What have your conspiracy theories got to do with LTNs?

Whoops shouldn't have asked that as I can feel Lawrence Fox, Piers Corbyn and Katy Hopkins prepared to answer.  I'm certainly not coming to your imaginary dinner party.  https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/editors-letters/london-mayor-elections-laurence-fox-piers-corbyn-b1813707.html

 

[Sue]

32 minutes ago, malumbu said:

What have your conspiracy theories got to do with LTNs?

Whoops shouldn't have asked that as I can feel Lawrence Fox, Piers Corbyn and Katy Hopkins prepared to answer.  I'm certainly not coming to your imaginary dinner party.  https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/editors-letters/london-mayor-elections-laurence-fox-piers-corbyn-b1813707.html

 

I'm confused, mal.

Can you explain? Is there something I missed in beansprout's post?

[Rockets]

2 hours ago, ianr said:

Quotation and/or reference please.

Here you go - see attached. Page 3. Thank goodness for the internet as the report has been long since removed from the council website! As I said, probably the last report the council put out that wasn't selectively plucking data that validated their position and was based on robust, consistent and local monitoring. One wonders why they decided to take a different approach when the LTNs went in....... 

Air Quality: comparing before and after data shows that there has been a moderate increase in NO2

QW7-Dulwich Village junction Monitoring Report May 2019 (4).pdf