Will I get a PCN?

[seemster]

Hello,

Driving westbound on Camberwell New Road, just before Brixton Road junction, cars are allowed to split into 2 lanes just before the lights, where the bus lane temporarily ends - know the bit I mean?

I've had a PCN there before so I know it well - many years ago, I pulled into the left lane too soon and passed through the end of the bus lane. (No buses around, mind you. I find it frustrating that, if there are no buses coming you still can't use your judgement to improve traffic flow, but whatever, them's the rules...)

Anyway, on Saturday lunchtime I was there and I noticed there were no road markings so I took a (potentially badly-judged) guess as to where the bus lane usually ends and then pulled into the left lane. Think I saw a camera flash go off and niece, in front passenger seat, says she saw it too.

We were stopped at the lights anyway, so tried to take some pics of the road, to show no road markings - but not easy and not much time as didn't want to hold up traffic when lights changed.

So - will I be issued a PCN? Have I acually done anything wrong, if there were no road markings? How do I prove there were no markings (haven't been back down CNewRoad but bet the lines have been painted by now) Can I / should I contact Southwark before they contact me?

Thanks people.

[Bluerevolution]

The picture will show there were no markings !

[seemster]

Ah, thanks but I wasn't clear - we did try to take pictures but unfortunately by the time we got our phones out it was practically impossible to capture decent shots as other cars had pulled up behind us - so the pics we have are basically useless...

[ruffers]

I think Bluerevolution (correct me if I'm wrong..) meant that the picture required as evidence to show you'd commited an offence will confirm there's no markings, therefore you should be fine. And not get a fine.

[Dopamine1979]

I know that junction well and have also been caught out by it. It's a bugger. Keep us posted.

On a similar note has anyone ever been caught out at the bus lane heading up Dog Kennel hill just before Sainsbury's?

[ruffers]

Dopamine1979 Wrote:

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> I know that junction well and have also been

> caught out by it. It's a bugger. Keep us posted.

>

> On a similar note has anyone ever been caught out

> at the bus lane heading up Dog Kennel hill just

> before Sainsbury's?

Caught out how? That one's clearly sign posted and the lines are there. If you get a ticket there then you just weren't looking I'd have thought.

[KidKruger]

I thought the cameras which flash are the ones which capture speed infringements ?

The cameras which check (and punish) for bus lane / markings infringements are higher-up, usually on fake lamposts, to achieve a greater 'target' area. If I'm correct, the flash you saw may have been for someone else's infingement i.e. jumping the traffic lights when red etc.

The other (higher-up) cameras, will, as people have already said, just record what they always do and if there's no marking to infringe you should be OK.

[KidKruger]

"On a similar note has anyone ever been caught out at the bus lane heading up Dog Kennel hill just before Sainsbury's?"

Not sure there IS a camera there ?

Either way I never take the chance, I sit like a mug, waiting for 2 mins to inch forward a metre so I can 'legally' turn into an empty left lane whilst no buses are even in sight.

[El Pibe]

Yeah, I thought only bus cameras caught lane infringements, and you're usually fine as long as you're signalling (either that or I've been very lucky umpteen million times)

[El Pibe]

On the lane past sainsbury's la piba (despite my admonishments) tends to just go straight into it and go all the way to the top to turn into champion hill, often behind buses and has yet to get a fine

[seemster]

Thanks all - will keep you posted!

[ruffers]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> On the lane past sainsbury's la piba (despite my

> admonishments) tends to just go straight into it

> and go all the way to the top to turn into

> champion hill, often behind buses and has yet to

> get a fine

Cameras in buses are at the front I think so behind is fine, in front of may be different.

[Dopamine1979]

KidKruger Wrote:

>

> Not sure there IS a camera there ?

> Either way I never take the chance, I sit like a

> mug, waiting for 2 mins to inch forward a metre so

> I can 'legally' turn into an empty left lane

> whilst no buses are even in sight.

That's exactly what I do.

Once bitten twice shy.

[Dopamine1979]

ruffers Wrote:

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> Dopamine1979 Wrote:

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>

> Caught out how? That one's clearly sign posted and

> the lines are there. If you get a ticket there

> then you just weren't looking I'd have thought.

Caught out/caught. Let's not quibble over semantics.