malumbu Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Hope many of you saw the fine John Otway gig on Friday. For those of you who didn't, do check him out, more of a cabaret performer than rock artist.I saw Mr O afterwards and reminded him of the fantastic gig on a snowy February in 1991 at the New Cross Venue. Billy Bragg and the wonderfully named Atilla the Stockbroker were supporting an anti-war gig. Then came on a band that I had never heard of - Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine and the place went mad.I reminded Otway that he played with Atilla that night, but he couldn't remember and I may have just confused this with a number of other gigs I saw at the time. T'internet hasn't helped. They were often performing together at the time. Here's a more recent event Was anyone else in New Cross that evening almost 23 years ago? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Nope. Saw john otway upstairs at the EDT, mad as a box of frogs Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-717025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I saw Otway and Barrett in the Red Cow in Hammersmith in 1978 or 79Yes, frogs Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-717060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Glad you enjoyed the gig!If you missed out on tickets for John Otway, sign up to our newsletter via our website to get early news of gigs (tickets had been on sale since last August):http://www.thegooseisout.comNew website going live tomorrow (fingers crossed). Hopefully there won't be any downtime, but if it disappears into the ether please try again later :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-717098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 malumbu Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Then came on a band that I had> never heard of - Carter the Unstoppable Sex> Machine and the place went mad.Their best known song was "The only living boy in New Cross", so they were playing to their home crowd. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-717136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red devil Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 steveo Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I saw Otway and Barrett in the Red Cow in> Hammersmith in 1978 or 79I cleary remember this performance on TOTP, one of those WTF moments, once seen never forgotton.Malumbu, I think JO might have difficulty remembering what happened 23 days ago let alone years, so you were probably right... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-717159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 red devil Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------I think JO might have difficulty> remembering what happened 23 days ago let alone> years, so you were probably right... xxxxxHe seemed perfectly fine to me - offstage, that is :))Amazing he's still doing forward rolls. Seems to have given up jumping off the top of stepladders though. And the headbanging no longer seems to be drawing blood .....I saw him in the early eighties at some small venue somewhere in London, can't remember where but it was with Wild Willy Barrett.Still got the "Really Free" single somewhere,but I always liked the B side better (anyone else remember B sides?) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-717179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 No, he is clearly mad, in a nice way, and plays this very well. The show comes across as 'ad libbed' but as with every good comedy act it is very well rehearsed. Very entertaining.Him and Atilla had a dance mat if I remember correctly.There are some even better clips on Youtube of him doing "Beware of the Flowers" (B side to Really Free) live, with both him and WWB so hairy in those days. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-717212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 Met Atilla at Forest Fest in Honor Oak last year. Otway wasn't playing with him at the New Cross Gig. A band called Newtown Neurotics also played but I don't remember them. I also don't remember seeing Blur opening in a four band tour at the Academy around this time, or Pulp supporting St Etienne at the Shepherds Bush Empire a couple of years later. David Badiel and Rob Newman played the Venue around the same time; he is discussing this with Verne on Radio 2. Googled for more info and oddly came up with this thread. I expect this will have zero interest for most of you. Unless you want to talk about famous bands you saw, but don't remember. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Malumbu, this thread is over eleven years old! Do you spend your time trawling through ancient EDF threads? Btw John and Willy are returning to The Ivy House in 2026 👍 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 I explained that I had Googled due to David Badiel talking about the New Cross venue and for some reason found my thread. https://www.concertarchives.org/venues/the-venue-new-cross-f673e868-e71d-49ee-8238-855de27b040b For younger readers the link gives a few highlights, I was at the very early Levellers gig silverfish (who?) but missed all the early Britpop. I recall grunge bands playing there - Nirvana? 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 On 28/04/2025 at 16:45, malumbu said: I explained that I had Googled due to David Badiel talking about the New Cross venue and for some reason found my thread. https://www.concertarchives.org/venues/the-venue-new-cross-f673e868-e71d-49ee-8238-855de27b040b For younger readers the link gives a few highlights, I was at the very early Levellers gig silverfish (who?) but missed all the early Britpop. I recall grunge bands playing there - Nirvana? Expand Sorry, I hadn't actually read your explanation 🤣 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 On 03/02/2014 at 08:48, Otta said: Their best known song was "The only living boy in New Cross", so they were playing to their home crowd. Expand Sheriff fatman surely! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eats Dulwich Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Do I get any bonus points for seeing Carter USM's previous band Jamie Wednesday? (I think Newtown Neurotics were mates of Atilla - part of the Harlow anarcho-punk scene). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 On 29/04/2025 at 09:40, Earl Aelfheah said: Sheriff fatman surely! Expand To square the circle Rob Newman used Carter as his theme music and Badiel Genesis (pre-80) or the Smiths (I'll have to reslisten to the programme) On 29/04/2025 at 10:25, Eats Dulwich said: Do I get any bonus points for seeing Carter USM's previous band Jamie Wednesday? (I think Newtown Neurotics were mates of Atilla - part of the Harlow anarcho-punk scene). Expand Yes in deed, I'm well trumped. Just done a little more research, Mudhoney and Hole played there - the latter featuring Courtney Love, I recall a poster advertising this but I last went decades ago, and the bands that became mega - Oasis, and Radiohead. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 I get to see a LOT of Jon Otway down in lewes Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 30/04/2025 at 19:11, Sephiroth said: I get to see a LOT of Jon Otway down in lewes Expand How come? Has he moved down there? I thought he lived in London? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 He’s always playing a gig somewhere here and I thought I had read he lived here - I could be wrong on latter point tho Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 02/05/2025 at 07:35, Sephiroth said: He’s always playing a gig somewhere here and I thought I had read he lived here - I could be wrong on latter point tho Expand So far as I know, he lives somewhere in Wandsworth, but maybe he has moved! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/40874-john-otway-at-the-ivy-and-a-question-about-carter-usm/#findComment-1705474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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