working girls

[niros777]

Been told they work there. Because of the cash machine nearby.

French???? Don't think so. Heard them chatting. It didn't sound french to me.

[Loz]

RosieH Wrote:

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> And Loz, as for forced - this is generally recognised to mean by dire financial need and

> mouths to feed, addiction, the threat of violence. There are doubtless other reasons, that you could

> educate yourself about if you chose to.

Big difference between those, Rosie. I don't really think 'mouths to feed', for instance, equates to 'forced', as it could equally apply to any job.

And I don't really appreciate your rather snide 'educate yourself' comment, either. I am reasonable well educated about the topic, thank you very much.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I don't believe that many prostitutes make a genuinely free choice to work the streets. Addiction, a history of abuse and direct coercion often plays a role. For some people I guess it's just difficulty seeing any alternatives. It can be debated ad nauseum and people will have their own views on it, but personally I think it's depressing.

[Loz]

But what is the alternative? Do we take this tired, middle-class, Guardianesque thinktheyknowitalls approach?

"These poor women - look at them. They have no other option in life but to prostitute themselves."

"What should we do?"

"Ban prostitution!!"

I understand why you are uncomfortable, but really, all we can so is make it as safe as possible and listen to the workers themselves and what they want/need.

[Salsaboy]

If you ban prostitution, it will just move underground. At least this way the well meaning do gooder outreach workers know where to find the girls.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Are you questioning that I find it depressing, or that many prostitutes haven't made an entirely free choice to work the streets?

Or are you attacking a straw man?

[Baggs]

Salsaboy Wrote:

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> If you ban prostitution, it will just move

> underground. At least this way the well meaning do

> gooder outreach workers know where to find the

> girls.

At least if it moves underground it will be no where near my back yard until the bakerloo extension reaches us in 2028

[Earl Aelfheah]

So it's some kind of 'middle class' indulgence not to take pleasure in seeing girls involved in street prostitution (which by any measure is an extremely dangerous trade)?

Loz Wrote:

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> But what is the alternative? Do we take this

> tired, middle-class, Guardianesque

> thinktheyknowitalls approach?

>

> "These poor women - look at them. They have no

> other option in life but to prostitute

> themselves."

> "What should we do?"

> "Ban prostitution!!"

>

> I understand why you are uncomfortable, but

> really, all we can so is make it as safe as

> possible and listen to the workers themselves and

> what they want/need.

[RosieH]

What's the Guardian equivalent of Godwin's Law?

Oh, and Loz, no more snide than "would you care to define forced".

[StraferJack]

"all we can so is make it as safe as possible and listen to the workers themselves and what they want/need."

I always thought THIS policy was a Guardian type position

[El Pibe]

that's what i thought.

ban prostitution would be a moralistic, hypocritical, small c conservative position surely.

[Loz]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> "all we can so is make it as safe as possible and

> listen to the workers themselves and what they

> want/need."

>

> I always thought THIS policy was a Guardian type position

Not in my many years reading it - they've always seemed to push the 'Swedish Model' of banning it and pushing it underground.

They do get an occasional (very good) writer in from the English Collective of Prostitutes, but her's seems a lone voice.

[Jeremy]

Baggs Wrote:

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> At least if it moves underground it will be no

> where near my back yard until the bakerloo

> extension reaches us in 2028

Do not fear, Bakerloo line will be going via Old Kent Rd, not ED or Peckham Rye! So come 2028, eastern European labourers won't be the only ones looking for jobs in the B&Q car park.

StraferJack Wrote:

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> I always thought THIS policy was a Guardian type position

Me too. Loz is a closet lefty Guardianista, etc etc

[Earl Aelfheah]

EDF's Law - 'As an EDF discussion grows longer, the probability of the term 'Guardianista' or 'middle class' being used as a pejorative approaches 1'

RosieH Wrote:

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> What's the Guardian equivalent of Godwin's Law?

[RosieH]

Yup.

And we didn't even have Quids on the thread.

[Loz]

Jeremy Wrote:

>

> StraferJack Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> > I always thought THIS policy was a Guardian type position

>

> Me too. Loz is a closet lefty Guardianista, etc etc

How VERY dare you...

[Lynne]

Underground prostitution? You mean in cellars?

[Loz]

Am I the only one that actually reads the Guardian here? They've supported the Swedish model of effectively banning prostitution (legalise selling of sex, criminalise buying of sex) for quite some time.

[Jeremy]

Maybe you're the only one who reads all the articles about hookers.

[Loz]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Maybe you're the only one who reads all the articles about hookers.

Well, to be fair, it avoids having Rosie try to 'educate' me.

*shudder*

[Salsaboy]

I thought that selling sex here was legal. It's the pimping, 2 ladies working together bit that's not legal.

[Jeremy]

Loz Wrote:

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> Well, to be fair, it avoids having Rosie try to 'educate' me.

You're in trouble now..

[Loz]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Loz Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Well, to be fair, it avoids having Rosie try to 'educate' me.

>

> You're in trouble now..

Now?

[StraferJack]

I thing the bindel/gold etc articles are sticking in loz's mind more than the opposing view

[Sue]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> Weren't there some posts on this a while back? I

> seem to remember someone saying they were worried

> about their children being approached by potential

> punters.

xxxxxxx

I remember a thread like that, and I thought it was a wind-up?

ETA: I mean I thought the original post on the thread was a wind-up, not the person who was worried about their children being approached (and I'm assuming the references to "children" in this case to be teenage girls)