Jeremy Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 This all sounds a bit sanctimonious to me.I'm not really a particular fan of those buildings, but I think it's OK to give them a lick of paint. We're not talking about radical redevelopment. Gap are not going to be moving in as a result. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Southwark and Network Rails's regeneration plans - which would result in the displacement of SIXTY businesses - would be a more worthy target for all this outrage. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Notice Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I am amazed there are that number of business in those buildings.Where are they and what do they do? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The free market will cause major changes in Peckham whatever the plans are IMHO Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 and now Homes for Votes (no link to Dame Shirley meant) :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Residents of East Dulwich complaining about estate agent boards - conscientious pillars of the communityResidents of Peckham complaining about buildings in a state of disrepair - fascists hell-bent on ethnic cleansing Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Jeremy - Ha! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Residents of East Dulwich complaining about estate> agent boards - conscientious pillars of the> community> Residents of Peckham complaining about buildings> in a state of disrepair - fascists hell-bent on> ethnic cleansingI don't mind the Chrysler building (which is Art Deco) - but I can't appreciate the Art Deco in PeckhamI think of 1930s austerity rather than 1920s fun. Maybe that's me - or maybe they need to be cleared of signage. I can't believe that what they are now is how they were designed ?. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-838507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eileen Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Great to see a spirited exchange on this topic. Would be great also to see you at the meetings and discussions taking part, and reporting back to EDF for further discussion. We have put out some info for key issues to think about for this evening - TODAY at 6.30pm All Saints Hall, Blenheim Grove. You can see these here https://peckhamresidents.wordpress.com/2015/04/16/station-workshop-today-6-30pm-key-issues/ and on https://www.facebook.com/PeckhamVision and Peckham Vision grew out of local community concern in 2005 about poor decision making on the big development site designated for a tram depot in Peckham town centre. So it developed a way of local people tracking these developments to help continue the process of throwing light on these complicated matters and developing ways of increasing the numbers of people now following the town centre developments as a whole (over 6000+). We encourage and facilitate where we can ideas to be floated and we collect information about them and aim to translate them to be widely understandable by as many local people as possible. We now have a small place in the shopping arcade at 135a Rye Lane between Khan?s Bargain stores and Sky City. Open 2-4pm on Saturdays and Tuesdays, but shop information displays are open to view at all times. Please come and see us and talk about the issues you raise on the EDF. It would be nice to have yr support for the hard work that goes into this and your greater understanding that some of the criticisms, while tackling important issues which we are also concerned with, are sometimes misplaced as far as Peckham Vision is concerned.We work in detail with local traders and are mini traders ourselves now. Do come and find out the work that a number of people in the community, and in the council and their consultants, have done to widen participation. Could be much better all round, and the more volunteers there are the more can be achieved. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-839168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 What is known about Landholt+Brown [sic]?This is/are the architect(s) selected by Southwark Council to design stuff to fill the void caused by the destruction of the art deco buildings.John K Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-839265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 indiepanda Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I am a big fan of art deco buildings - but it> looks to me as if to restore these to their former> glory would cost a fortune. > > I don't know what the ownership status is of them> at present, but if they are owned by the> occupiers, I somehow doubt they could afford it,> and if the current businesses in those spaces> don't own them, I doubt many would be able to> afford the increased rents post restoration. But> perhaps I've missed something and there is a way> of having both.There's no point in restoring them unless they arekept restored and maintained.Otherwise might as well get rid. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-839402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnL Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Otta Wrote:> I totally agree with keekybreeks on this. I am not> saying that any plans are bad (I don't really have> an opinion), but it's a white middle class group> trying to build a new Peckham in their own image.But that's how England was built since the Anglo Saxons (or their culture) displaced the Britons.I'm sure every group is capable of being heard - maybethe people in authority are not listening ? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-839408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 The point is that Peckham is going to change, is already changing, along with all of inner London. I think the results will be better if there are concerned citizens (even if they're not entirely representative of all the community) trying to steer the changes, than if it's just left entirely to commercial developers. At least with Peckham Vision there is an organisation that is trying to influence the changes and (as best they can), to reflect and balance some of the interests of local people. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-839443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eileen Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Here are some key points that came out of the workshop last Thursday: https://www.facebook.com/PeckhamRyeStation/posts/837913912946171 In further summary:* next workshop in May will give designs for the new square space/buildings; this has been delayed because of need to do more investigation of construction of existing buildings. This will be an additional workshop so four in all now.* Blenheim Grove corner building may have two storeys added on top of current two storeys.* Holly Grove buildings (Iceland + Hannah Barry Gallery) are excluded from codesign process, so information is withheld on plans being developed for them, in same timescale, ie planning application to be submitted during summer by leaseholders Bywaters who are owners of Iceland.Were you there? Would you add any comments or information? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-840383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
keekybreeks Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 jesus christ, this reads like something from crimewatch Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/56101-protect-peckhams-future-art-deco-cultural-economy-more/page/3/#findComment-840610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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