Protect Peckham's Future: art deco, cultural economy, & more

[Jeremy]

This all sounds a bit sanctimonious to me.

I'm not really a particular fan of those buildings, but I think it's OK to give them a lick of paint. We're not talking about radical redevelopment. Gap are not going to be moving in as a result.

[Jeremy]

Southwark and Network Rails's regeneration plans - which would result in the displacement of SIXTY businesses - would be a more worthy target for all this outrage.

[Charles Notice]

I am amazed there are that number of business in those buildings.

Where are they and what do they do?

[JohnL]

The free market will cause major changes in Peckham whatever the plans are IMHO

[JohnL]

and now Homes for Votes (no link to Dame Shirley meant) :)

[Jeremy]

Residents of East Dulwich complaining about estate agent boards - conscientious pillars of the community

Residents of Peckham complaining about buildings in a state of disrepair - fascists hell-bent on ethnic cleansing

[Nigello]

Jeremy - Ha!

[JohnL]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Residents of East Dulwich complaining about estate

> agent boards - conscientious pillars of the

> community

> Residents of Peckham complaining about buildings

> in a state of disrepair - fascists hell-bent on

> ethnic cleansing

I don't mind the Chrysler building (which is Art Deco) - but I can't appreciate the Art Deco

in Peckham

I think of 1930s austerity rather than 1920s fun. Maybe that's me - or maybe they need to be

cleared of signage. I can't believe that what they are now is how they were designed ?.

[Eileen]

Great to see a spirited exchange on this topic. Would be great also to see you at the meetings and discussions taking part, and reporting back to EDF for further discussion. We have put out some info for key issues to think about for this evening - TODAY at 6.30pm All Saints Hall, Blenheim Grove. You can see these here https://peckhamresidents.wordpress.com/2015/04/16/station-workshop-today-6-30pm-key-issues/ and on https://www.facebook.com/PeckhamVision and

Peckham Vision grew out of local community concern in 2005 about poor decision making on the big development site designated for a tram depot in Peckham town centre. So it developed a way of local people tracking these developments to help continue the process of throwing light on these complicated matters and developing ways of increasing the numbers of people now following the town centre developments as a whole (over 6000+). We encourage and facilitate where we can ideas to be floated and we collect information about them and aim to translate them to be widely understandable by as many local people as possible.

We now have a small place in the shopping arcade at 135a Rye Lane between Khan?s Bargain stores and Sky City. Open 2-4pm on Saturdays and Tuesdays, but shop information displays are open to view at all times. Please come and see us and talk about the issues you raise on the EDF. It would be nice to have yr support for the hard work that goes into this and your greater understanding that some of the criticisms, while tackling important issues which we are also concerned with, are sometimes misplaced as far as Peckham Vision is concerned.

We work in detail with local traders and are mini traders ourselves now. Do come and find out the work that a number of people in the community, and in the council and their consultants, have done to widen participation. Could be much better all round, and the more volunteers there are the more can be achieved.

[edhistory]

What is known about Landholt+Brown [sic]?

This is/are the architect(s) selected by Southwark Council to design stuff to fill the void caused by the destruction of the art deco buildings.

John K

[JohnL]

indiepanda Wrote:

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> I am a big fan of art deco buildings - but it

> looks to me as if to restore these to their former

> glory would cost a fortune.

>

> I don't know what the ownership status is of them

> at present, but if they are owned by the

> occupiers, I somehow doubt they could afford it,

> and if the current businesses in those spaces

> don't own them, I doubt many would be able to

> afford the increased rents post restoration. But

> perhaps I've missed something and there is a way

> of having both.

There's no point in restoring them unless they are

kept restored and maintained.

Otherwise might as well get rid.

[JohnL]

Otta Wrote:

> I totally agree with keekybreeks on this. I am not

> saying that any plans are bad (I don't really have

> an opinion), but it's a white middle class group

> trying to build a new Peckham in their own image.

But that's how England was built since the Anglo Saxons

(or their culture) displaced the Britons.

I'm sure every group is capable of being heard - maybe

the people in authority are not listening ?

[Earl Aelfheah]

The point is that Peckham is going to change, is already changing, along with all of inner London. I think the results will be better if there are concerned citizens (even if they're not entirely representative of all the community) trying to steer the changes, than if it's just left entirely to commercial developers. At least with Peckham Vision there is an organisation that is trying to influence the changes and (as best they can), to reflect and balance some of the interests of local people.

[Eileen]

Here are some key points that came out of the workshop last Thursday: https://www.facebook.com/PeckhamRyeStation/posts/837913912946171

In further summary:

* next workshop in May will give designs for the new square space/buildings; this has been delayed because of need to do more investigation of construction of existing buildings. This will be an additional workshop so four in all now.

* Blenheim Grove corner building may have two storeys added on top of current two storeys.

* Holly Grove buildings (Iceland + Hannah Barry Gallery) are excluded from codesign process, so information is withheld on plans being developed for them, in same timescale, ie planning application to be submitted during summer by leaseholders Bywaters who are owners of Iceland.

Were you there? Would you add any comments or information?

[keekybreeks]

jesus christ, this reads like something from crimewatch