Southwark Council's Cycling Strategy 2015 plan for the Adys Road - East Dulwich Road junction

[edhistory]

This got past my radar:

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieIssueDetails.aspx?IId=50005667&PlanId=0&Opt=3#AI35730

Was anyone involved in the consultation?

John K

Edited to change thread title

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The proposed changes are to Adys Road, Crystal Palace Road, and Landells Road,

John K

[david_carnell]

I remember filling in a consultation on the Southwark Cycle Scheme.

And if you read the plan there are no changes proposed to Adys, CP Rd and Landells beyond some traffic calming measures, which given all have speed humps already, would be pretty minimal I'd think.

The real stuff happens further north.

[intexasatthe moment]

I commented on this and expressed dismay at the idea of using Adys Rd as part of a main cycle route. Seems completely mad to me ,it's a nightmare at the moment with cars squeezing past .

But then I also commented on the potential for collisions between pedestrians and cyclists on the shared cycle lane in Peckham Rye .

[ianr]

See also the Quietway Events and Consultation pages available via https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/. There was a presentation at the Community Council yesterday. (In fact there's already a thread on it: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1451849,page=3)

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Can anyone who has been engaged in this consultation explain the background to the cycle-way that the map shows along Melbourne Grove?

John K

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Two black cables have appeared across Adys Road - do you think this is linked to the proposed scheme?

[Applespider]

The black traffic measuring cables often appear just before roadworks start. I have been told that they help determine the timings for temporary traffic lights.

Of course, it might also be collecting data to justify any other proposals.

[edhistory]

The EDF focus has been on the Townley Road junction and and Dulwich Village junction changes.

This is about the yet to be announced changes to the Adys Road / East Dulwich Road / Crystal Palace Road junction.

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Here's the route map.

[intexasatthe moment]

Please not a cycling route down Adys Rd . Unless parking restrictions and a one way system is introduced .

I would NEVER cycle up or down Adys Rd ,it's difficult enough to drive along it .

Am I the only person who thinks this ?

[yourmomma]

Eh, I cycle up Adys road pretty much every day. I would say of all the roads in the area it's one of the least difficult (not discounting the slight climb). It has traffic calming and I've not seen any cars speeding etc.

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> Please not a cycling route down Adys Rd . Unless

> parking restrictions and a one way system is

> introduced .

>

> I would NEVER cycle up or down Adys Rd ,it's

> difficult enough to drive along it .

>

> Am I the only person who thinks this ?

[intexasatthe moment]

Maybe it's me .

It's not the speed that is a concern ,it's the congestion ,squeezing in and out .

[Earl Aelfheah]

I can't work it out from those documents (without spending a lot of time on them) - does anyone know what the traffic calming measures proposed are on CPR? There are already speed bumps.

[edhistory]

I couldn't find anything in the documents about the proposed Traffic calming measures for Crystal Palace Road. Perhaps I missed it.

Nothing either about a F.M.Conway Aecom Ltd modification of the North Cross Road - Crystal Palace Road - Upland Road junction.

Nor the southern exit onto Lordship Lane.

John K

[wulfhound]

Adys Road is perfectly OK for cycling if you know what you're doing. Narrow, yes, but speeds are very low, there are no buses and hardly any HGVs. Nobody expects to go fast, which means you can ride in the middle of the road - you just have to be sensible enough to negotiate with oncoming traffic (OK, there's the occasional thug that thinks(???) negotiating = "try to run the other guy off the road", but those are a fact of life). Biggest hazard is at school drop-off - cars pulling in and out and people opening doors without looking, but "ride wide" and that's not such an issue.

Given the minor changes there and on Crystal Palace Road, it's not like there's going to be some massive surge in numbers cycling along there anyway. Simply designating something a cycle route is not going to turn it in to a Superhighway peloton overnight. Likely similar numbers as you get on Green Dale.. more than background noise, but not so many you'd necessarily notice it was a designated route. Further north, it's a different story.

[first mate]

Having skimmed the Southwark document two things really leapt out, the clear aim to calm or 'design out' traffic on residential streets as well as remove parking on busier roads. The second was that allegedly extensive public consultation has been carried out. This is the first I've heard about these much more ambitious plans. According to the document we are just at the beginning of these 'exciting' changes and this is a 5 year plan. I am beginning to think they really intend to make car ownership impossible.

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Several people have pointed out to me that the southern terminus junction with Lordship Lane would be very dangerous left "un-treated".

Junction roadworks to in introduce saftey features will be required.

John K