Chivalry...bring it back!

[NewWave]

As a commuter on the always packed Overground and Jubilee line I'm always more than a little put out by the fact I very very seldom see a man offering to give up their seat on the train to a woman. On several occasions I've seen men in the priority seats blatently ignoring women that have stood near them wearing 'Baby on board' badges only giving up their seat if asked.

As a female shop worker who has to stand for approx 8 hours a day (staff in stores are not allowed to sit down unless on a break)I really long for just a quick sit down on the journey to and from work.

As I am neither elderly or pregnant I do not feel able to ask for a seat just because my legs and feet are killing me...I'm sure I'm not alone.

SO I'm going to make a plea....Male commuters IF you have a sedentary job and spend the majority of the day at work sat at a desk PLEASE.....offer your seat to a woman!

[Ron70]

You can't have it all; chivalry was killed by equality and feminism!

[Otta]

I've witnessed women acting insulted when offered a seat. It's a bloody mine field out there!

[Loz]

I just kind of hoped the OP was a troll...

[*Bob*]

'From my cold dead hands..'

[Mick Mac]

When they started running marathons I realised woman could stand for 10 minutes.

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Mick Mac Wrote:

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> When they started running marathons I realised

> woman could stand for 10 minutes.

It was all on drugs though

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> > When they started running marathons I realised

> > woman could stand for 10 minutes.

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> It was all on drugs though

with toilet breaks and everything...

[LadyDeliah]

No don't! With chivalry comes expectations and preconditions, plus a load of other baggage women have tried to get rid of for the past century.

Eff that. I'd rather stand up than have someone patronise me.

If someone is less able to stand, whether they are male or female, they should be given a seat. If your feet are killing because you are wearing high or tight shoes, get a pair of trainers.

[Alan Medic]

You know you're getting old when a woman offers you a seat........which happened to me.

[JohnL]

'Baby on Board' stickers always get offered a seat in my experience

(as long as they are seen)

[DulwichFox]

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> You know you're getting old when a woman offers

> you a seat........which happened to me.

It happened to me on a Dolmus (Mini Bus)whilst on holiday recently...

Considering I was walking 5-8 miles a day in 43deg heat I consider myself fairly fit.

I was quite hurt.

I declined the offer.. What about you Alan. Did you take up the offer.?

DulwichFox

[KidKruger]

Chivalry = sexist bollox IMO.

Role play. Bigot fodder.

[Otta]

I do try to look out for people more in need of my seat. But having crappy eyesight, "baby on board" badges are pretty useless as I don't see them, and don't want to squint to read something as it will look like I am peering at someone's chest.

Like I say, feckin mine field!

[Alan Medic]

No Foxy I didn't need to but it was sort of charming to be asked. I wasn't hurt by it either. When I was about 10 I used to think my sister in her mid twenties was 'old'. It's all relative.

[Salsaboy]

What about holding doors open for women and letting them go first? Is that still allowed? Or opening the car door for them. Or carrying heavy shopping. Or stopping to help change a flat tyre.

[DulwichFox]

I hold doors open for everyone.. Women.. Blokes... whoever.

DulwichFox

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[Sue]

Surely we're talking about common courtesy and consideration to others, aren't we?

Why should you expect special treatment just because you're a woman (unless you're pregnant)?

If someone is old or disabled or otherwise clearly suffering through having to stand, then the kind thing to do is to offer them a seat regardless of gender, surely?

[Nigello]

I agree, Sue.

As for kids (small, able to sit on laps of parents/older kids) - please don't let them take away a seat from a fare-paying adult. I've asked parents to please put toddler on their lap so I can have a seat and don't feel unchivalrous for asking.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Won't anybody think of the male shop workers who have to stand on their feet for approx 8 hours a day....

ETA: *Tips bowler hat at Newwave*

[Jeremy]

I sympathise with the OP. Perhaps you need to get yourself down to the gym and get in shape. Update your wardrobe and get a nice haircut, maybe take more time on your makeup in the morning. I'm sure you've got it in you to bag a nice husband with a good job.

[womanofdulwich]

I am sorry to hear you position OP . A long time ago when I was pregnant I planned all my journeys home from Oxford Circus around getting a seat for the journey. So I always got the No 3 bus which starts at Oxford Circus where you can always get a seat.It took much longer than the tube but I still do this when I am tired.Maybe you can change into comfy shoes too?

[NewWave]

womanofdulwich Wrote:

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> I am sorry to hear you position OP . A long time

> ago when I was pregnant I planned all my journeys

> home from Oxford Circus around getting a seat for

> the journey. So I always got the No 3 bus which

> starts at Oxford Circus where you can always get a

> seat.It took much longer than the tube but I still

> do this when I am tired.Maybe you can change into

> comfy shoes too?

Thanks for your sympathy.

I do wear comfy shoes However due to lower back and hip problems

(I'm In my mid 50's) I still get aches and pains after standing all day.

The point I was trying to make really was-sexism aside.

If someone has a sedentary job perhaps It would be good manners to perhaps offer a seat to someone who looks like they may need it.

Women on heels,people carrying shopping, with kids,older etc etc.

[Loz]

NewWave Wrote:

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> The point I was trying to make really was-sexism aside.

> If someone has a sedentary job perhaps It would be good manners to perhaps offer a seat to someone

> who looks like they may need it.

That's entirely different to your first post.

I think most people here would happily give up their seat to someone in more need of it - pregnant, older, with kids in arms. But that's not chivalry - that's just being a decent person.

How are people supposed to know you have aches and pains? If you are still dressed like most shop workers, then you probably look much the same as an office-bound person. You are asking for levels of ESP not usually seen in your average human.

And how do you know the people already sitting down don't have aches and pains?