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messageEU Trade Talks Thread
Posted by keano77 February 02, 02:36PM

Now that Brexit is “been there done that” thoughts turn to the trade talks.

Cake and eat it. Yum yum.

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Posted by malumbu February 02, 03:59PM

Part of outcome will be a move of high tech including niche motor manufacturing to the EU. That's not a whinge but a result of lack of harmonisation. Happy to be proved wrong.

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Posted by sweetgirl February 02, 10:46PM

Ok so the shits already hit the fan......
This is the bit where it starts to fly everywhere!

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Posted by Blah Blah February 02, 11:17PM

We will have to wait and see. At heart, I think Boris definitely wants a trade deal, understands the importance of that. But the same issues remain over the Irish border and for all of Boris's tough talk, there will have to be concessions. The Canada deal doesn't include services so asking for a Canada style deal isn't as straight forward as it sounds.

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Posted by pk February 02, 11:39PM

I guess Brexit is really done once the transition of over

God knows what that’ll look like, but I hope it isn’t this year

It’s a job worth not being rushed for PR purposes

In my opinion deals are better done when you’ve got the upper hand in negotiations, I don’t think we do.

In any event trade’s easier if everyone’s working to similar regulatory requirements, so we’ll have to accept plenty of alignment to end up with a sensible arrangement (in practice, now that people who voted ‘on principles’ have to realise that you need to agree something that’s actually realistic and workable)

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Posted by bsand February 03, 12:31AM

I have every confidence in Boris and his chums will eff it up . It's what he does every time so why would it be different? The lunatics have definitely taken over the asylum.

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Posted by Alan Medic February 03, 10:01AM

I predict this thread could go on for years. Getting Brexit done is only just starting in spite of what some of the press and politicians might like you to believe.

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Posted by JohnL February 03, 10:03AM

Talk of an Australian deal - meaning nor free trade deal but a series of agreements.

Australia not exactly local however.

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Posted by Blah Blah February 03, 10:48AM

Australia is also only a market of 27 million people.

What happened to the 40 trade deals that were ready to go the second after Brexit?

The truth is that we have hundreds of trade agreements through the EU, all of which will have to be renegotiated. The very idea that we can replace tariff free access to a market of five hundred million consumers on our doorstep with a trade deal somewhere else is for the birds. The single market is the ONLY trading block that has tariff free trade on ALL goods and services.

CETA by comparison, only includes 80 percent of food products for one and doesn't include services. Canada also had to agree to open up her public sector to tender from EU companies. So any trade deal with the EU is never going to deliver full divergence, because trade deals just do not work like that. Leave supporters however have never wanted to hear the truth on that stuff and this is where I think Boris will face trouble, both from the hard Brexit ideologues within his own party and from that section of the public that don't understand how trade deals actually work.

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Posted by KidKruger February 03, 11:54AM

"oven ready.."

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Posted by Seabag February 03, 01:44PM

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> I predict this thread could go on for years.
> Getting Brexit done is only just starting in spite
> of what some of the press and politicians might
> like you to believe.

Exactly Alan, much like the years and years of to and fro of the EEC / EU project we’ve historically had. I’ll go to on to stick my neck out say expect another 47 years of pretty much the same.

#*^%*t will never be ‘done’

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Posted by rahrahrah February 03, 03:34PM

Already there are attempts to blame EU for all the impending and quite predicable fallout of Brexit. See [news.sky.com]

and...

[twitter.com]

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Posted by rahrahrah February 03, 03:35PM

^this is what we will see over the next several months. More effort will go into framing the narrative around whose to blame for the fallout than actually trying to negotiate a deal to avoid it.

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Posted by JohnL February 03, 03:55PM

Press just walked out of Boris's conference as he tried to impose selective briefing. Tried to divide the press into two groups outside Downing St apparently.

Manipulative.

"Around 10 journalists were on the list - while 5/6 of us were asked to stand the other side of the room. They were the Mirror, the Independent, the i, Huffington Post, the Evening Standard, PoliticsHome and the Times"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was february 03, 04:04pm by JohnL.

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Posted by JohnL February 03, 04:12PM

No 10 now claiming there is an "Inner Lobby" but no-one has ever heard of it before.

Maybe it was a secret.

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Posted by Blah Blah February 03, 07:33PM

This is Trump style of working against scrutiny by a free press and totally unacceptable.

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Posted by pk February 03, 08:26PM

Weird how none of those who were so certain what they voted for and that we’d be taking back control and writing our own rules and not being told what to do by ‘them’ have nothing to say about this

Maybe even some of those leavers can see Boris for the bullshitting self-publicist that he is and the ‘oh shit’ moment has happened for some of them

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Posted by Seabag February 03, 08:31PM

JohnL Wrote:
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> No 10 now claiming there is an "Inner Lobby" but
> no-one has ever heard of it before.
>
> Maybe it was a secret.

There is no ‘totally unacceptable’ to this lot

Really, nothing is off limits.

Like Trump, only shitting on our political landscape

Leavers won’t condemn it, because it condemns the project.

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Posted by Blah Blah February 03, 09:59PM

And note the absence of leavers here, to discuss the details of those trade talks. One could be forgiven for thinking they don't care really. As long as their side is winning, the method doesn't bother them.

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Posted by tiddles February 03, 10:12PM

Still waiting to hear the pro’s to leaving. The noodles who are usually interviewed are the mindless goons who spout the ‘getting our country back’ but without any explanation from what. someone please tell me what the benefits actually are

Edited to remove swear word...



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Posted by Seabag February 04, 08:27AM

In game play terms, turning leavers against remainders was a great strategy. One it gave BJ his surge to get a majority in Parliament, thus empowering him to carry out his worst.

Secondly, it stopped enough people thinking about what they were about to actually loose, beyond the vote and the election.

But now, oh yeah! We’re all losers, and a division is set into the country.

Divide and rule, writ large!

Then we have a serial liar as PM to go out and forge ‘deep and meaningful trade relationships’ on our behalf. A man with a proven track record of being a scheming lying untrustworthy human being, with a rep for disregarding anything he fancies to pomp up his own reputation. At a moment when you need trust, we’re set to have the least trustworthy team negotiate our future.

Right!

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Posted by uncleglen February 04, 12:05PM

Blah Blah Wrote:
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> And note the absence of leavers here, to discuss
> the details of those trade talks. One could be
> forgiven for thinking they don't care really. As
> long as their side is winning, the method doesn't
> bother them.

Barnier( or more accurately 'Barmier') has set out the 'EU Terms' for fishing OUR waters....arrogance of the man- just about sums it all up- after the EU asset-stripped the UK since 1975. I have been avoiding the purchase of EU goods for a few years now- so we do not have to shout out our reasons and all the project fear stuff like you remainiacs have been doing ad nauseam. I see Seabag refers to remainers as 'remainders' yes- left-overs...

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Posted by Sephiroth February 04, 12:55PM

I don't know how anyone could want to be on the same side as uncleglen - if I was a leaver I would be mortified with some of the stuff he comes up with

And to be fair to him, the airwaves are full of people equally deluded

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Posted by Jules-and-Boo February 04, 12:56PM

do you disagree about the statement re EU fishing ?

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Posted by pk February 04, 01:10PM

uncleglen Wrote:
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>
>
> Barnier( or more accurately 'Barmier') has set out
> the 'EU Terms' for fishing OUR waters....arrogance
> of the man

So you thought that we’d tell them that their rules were shit even tho we backed almost all of them and after they seen us burn their flag

And then that we’d take back control and write our own rules (even tho we don’t know what)

And the EU would just say fine, cherry pick what you want?

How stupid

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Posted by Sephiroth February 04, 01:15PM

"do you disagree about the statement re EU fishing ?"

short answer is yes I disagree. Longer answer is access to fishing waters was ALWAYS going to be part of negotiations and the UK has basically given up most of it's leverage. This was always the case but anyone who pointed out was told "project fear" - along with everything else

The UK is free to tell the EU to bog off - it just won't be very helpful to us . And this is all just a tiny taste of what's to come, not just with EU but with US, China, India etc

Plus - most of the UK catch is sold to Europe anyway. We need access to that market unless we are all going to start eating the fish and bits of fish we currently don't like

What else? Oh yeah - fishing is worth basically nothing to our economy compared to most other sectors and yet still people are getting their knickers in a twist

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Posted by Sephiroth February 04, 01:21PM

Just to add - there is nothing arrogant about Barnier/the EU setting out their wish list in these documents - it's standard OP surely? Even if the likes of uncleglen think it's clever to call him "Barmier"

But I wouldn't worry - because we have been repeatedly told we hold all the cards and we will have all the deals the day after we leave

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Posted by diable rouge February 04, 01:39PM

uncleglen Wrote:
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> I have been avoiding the purchase of EU goods for a
> few years now

Ignoring the virtue signalling, I take it that means you weren't buying British goods either, what with us being in the EU at the time...

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Posted by Jules-and-Boo February 04, 02:09PM

I don't buy meat from the EU. While the EU regulations are better than the UK ones and they have done much for the welfare of animals, they are shockingly bad at enforcing them when it comes to farming.

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Posted by Sephiroth February 04, 02:31PM

I'd be interested in reading more about that Jules - any good links?

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