Well Hughenot, when do you think we can all stop fighting the old holy wars. I dont want to know how Christmas arrived, at the point it is now, All I know is , the man or myth,that is celebrated at Christmas, speaks only of peace and goodwill, I for one stand by it,commercial madness, parties. decorations lights , and even socks, Rock on I say, and bugger the past. Jesus asked no one to sacrifice themseves, or others, treated women equal. Old priest, and pagans etc no doubt exploited the situation to suit them, no different to today. So called holy men of all religions,threaten, people with the wrath of God, and at the same time take money off their followers for their keep. They should work, Anyway bring on Christmas lights as well, local shops pay for most of them anyway.I,m rambling. dosed up with cold pills.