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Hi Ruffer - I started this thread - not to promote what I think should happen - but to raise the local publics awareness of the issue - how people have been poorly served - and that if they care - to start a full debate on the future of the site and it's management - it is in theory public land / a public asset - held in trust by the PCT. As you ask though - I personally think that we should have a significant medical facility there Though some have pointed out that we have Kings just over the Hill - we have a huge and growing population in this part of London - and do / will need additional and complementary services to the main hub at kings. Best Martin

Some positive thought would indeed be most welcome, no doubt, as this has been a very sorry affair to date. It would be interesting to have a definitive statement from the PCT - as per the abject failings to date - and further what it is they are planning for all or part of the demolished site - and furthermore for the site and buildings as a whole. It's a great shame they demolished the original buildings before they could assure a replacement - that building could have been used for other community uses - a school as suggested above for instance - but that opportunity has needlessly been lost. We need local politicians to get a grip on this situation and the PCT as a whole for that matter - to assure we do not end up with nothing of community worth.

Hi shaun - i thought is was a discussion forum - you did enquire what is what i was 'for' no one has said there's any onus on you for anything - but one would assume that if you're asking what some one is for - that you'd prepared to answer the / state the same, I asked because I was interested to know . . . - it seams I've stumbled to a bit of a private club - chatting in public - and appear not to be too welcome - so i'll leave you chaps to it best Martin

Hi Brendan - and what is you like about the yellow ones as opposed to the blue red and green ones?

Hi Sean - What I'm in general 'for' in this instance is that if I'm to vote it counts for something positive - as oppose to just a tactic to promote or prevent the least worst option within a system / status-quo that's floored and maintains it's existence as a paradox of a voting system that allow effective ongoing control by a minority - as in 'first past the post'. And you Sean, - what is you are 'for'?

Huguenot - hello "i think the whole point about democracy is that minorities who want to enact change against the wishes of the majority don't get to do it!" - yes I think we all think we know that - though - first past the post does not often create a scenario where government is supported by anything like the majority - so the paradox there is that the staus-quo is maintained by the vote of the minority - yes?

Brendan and Bob - wotsisname & thingy?

Hi Sean So for those of us who do want things to change more than 'not too much' - how do we get a change ? Blame is surely a mute point when it comes to politics - we have what we have either by our positive endorsement or inactivity. Blame is a backward facing perspective is it not? Looking forward, how do we break the status-quo ? Though it's comfortable to have a familiar system despite all it's faults - it's not really in any of our interest to keep supporting a faulty system is it?

Personally I do think that it's long overdue that the entrenched political parties - who seem to do little more than tinker with the status-quo when power swings between them - should be challenged for their undeserved strangle hold on power. As many instances of recent years have shown - just having different tinkerers from the same old inadequate system - results in continued inequality, hideous foreign policy blunders and near financial melt down. I do though agree with Huguenot on the need for electoral reform - I think this is critical to address the issues of one's vote counting for something - being able to have one's vote be more useful than just a tactical position to achieve little more than the least worst result/option. So yes some sort of single transferrable vote and proportional representation is a must isn't it? So should I from this, whilst under the current non-representative(for those not aligned to main parties) vote for the bunch / combination most likely to be able to bring in / be sympathetic to a positive change in the electoral system?

so I'm just wondering with the levels of dissatisfaction expressed by many above, with their own and other people's parties, - what conclusions has anyone come to? As a nonaligned person I struggle to find any reason to vote for the parties and characters discussed above. I wonder if many people voted on personal conscience - rather than traditions of political conscience - what the result would be - would those parties deemed to be unrealistic and small come to the front - or would it encourage enough of us to create something new - with out all the historic/rhetorical/political baggage?

east-of-the-Rye Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was rung (before Christmas?) by a someone doing > a telephone survey re services that the "local > population" would like to have on the site - she > was from the PCT I think, but unfortuately i > didn't get any proper details in order to work out > who commissioned the survey. - That's very interesting - I heard nothing of any new consultation - I wonder if any of the original people or bodies from the original 'consultation process ' have been recontacted - I certainly haven't - has anyone else heard about this non publicised consultation by the PCT ( if that's what it is) ? P.S. - The T in PCT - stands for trust . . . . apparently. . . . . Best Martin

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Dear Siduhe, Thank you for finding that - I think they did get as far as the stage 1 business case - but not much further back in 2006 - certainly not in anyway far enough to know the project would go through - and require such immediate demolition in October of that year. Best, Martin

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Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Please could you give us a link to a reference > where someone promised a hospital in return for > the wanton demolition of half of the old one. > (Added - with a timescale.) Dear Mark, The process stated in 2000 / 20001 - With Tessa Jowell eventhen saying it was her priority. Planning applications started in 04/05 - as well attempts to list the structure - oddly blocked Chris Bull, Chief Executive Southwark PCT - Approve demolition in September 06 - and it was demolished in Oct 06, even though planning had not been agreed no funding for a new hospital had been secured - Now even the http://www.dulwichcommunityhospital.nhs.uk/ website has disappeared from the web after years of showing how big and wonderful the whole project would be. If you would like to wade through the full grizzly details of how we arrived at this sorry position - contact the East Dulwich Society - who fort a fought a valiant battle against the inexplicable behavior of the PCT. > > I agree it's a complete waste of space at the > moment and it would be good to see it used for > something. How about an outdoor cinema this summer > whilst we're waiting for something permanent to > happen? > >

Dear Tasha - the only thing I'm aware of is some of these few lock up boxes by the East Dulwich station - which I presume you have to pay for . It's a problem I imagine for many people in flats round here. It would be a good issue to suggest to local councillors - for 'Cleaner Greener' type project to provide just this kind of facility. Best wishes for your new home here with us in the vale. Martin.

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Dear Pecanpie, By nature the human is a political animal - but what is you in particular you suspect? what are the "type of thing can go down quite badly round these parts" ? The only campaigning I'm doing here is reminding my fellow residents how they have been grotesquely failed in this particular instance - that those responsible should not get away with it scot-free - and we should all do something before we as a community loose that land - which is ours. What do you think of the situation as it stands? Best, Martin

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sorry to tell you - but Southwark PCT has no plans any longer to build the promised Community Hospital . . . . .

How about just as a starter - demolishing a valuable public owned historic building even before they knew if they could secure the funding to build the promised Community Hospital to go in it's a place . . . .

Hi All, We were promised a hospital in return for the wanton demolition of half of the old one. Yet another year has passed with nothing but a huge waste land - what should be done? Should the Southwark PCT be allowed to maintain control of this public site / asset after such gross mismanagement?

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