mockney piers

Nice of you to dismiss my friends' deaths as irrelevant there's keef, nice touch. They are of course very relevant to me, because it actually matters to me. Which was exactly my point of course, nicely missed by you keef, that this is none of anyone's fucking business. If Sue had stuck her fucking oar in those situations there would be plenty of people justifiably upset. I found at the time this story broke, the mawkish messages of support, many of them in is forum, very unsettling at the time. Those taking delight in condemning the McCann, like a mob happy judge jury and executioner were even worse. I hated myself for briefly being sucked in to the story, but quickly realised it represented all the worst aspects of this country and ourselves, and showed our civility is a paper thin breadth away from turning up to hangings and burning witches frankly. To be dissecting this years down the line just smacks of beating the shit out of a corpse weeks after it's died. It's really really fucking horrible. Just let it lie. The argument that it is somehow public property doesn't detract from the utter tastelessness of it all, in fact just makes those saying it sound even more pathetic, like a Di conspiracy theorist bleating the words 'people's princess' like some sort of mantra as they repeatedly grind the palm of their hand into their groin. Cunts

My mate died because he didn't wear a seatbelt. I think you should start a thread about how selfish that was, make sure that if his parents ever google his name they'll find you pontificating about personal responsibility. I've another friend who was killed by a car as he decided to walk a short cut down a country lane, pretty stupid looking back, but obviously something needs to be done as people sometimes don't think the worst will happen. His brother was going to give him a lift but was talking to someone; I have his telephone number if you want it; just phone him and tell him what a cunt he was to let his brother walk down that dark road and die, I bet you he'll appreciate it, or maybe he was the driver and is trying to cover it up.....oh shit, he actually wanted him dead. Oh hang on, it never made the press, never mind, that lady di....Arab heir...etc...ad nauseum....

Nothing better to focus your energies on....seriously?!?!?! Why do you care? Is there a personal element? They're family, you were left alone for half an hour as a baby and got scared? Just let it go. We can do things about dysentery and malaria; we can try and stop our government killing innocent children in Afghanistan every week. In the scheme of things I'm not sure why we even give this tale a second glance. Either something tragic happened and they'll feel shit forever, or something tragic happened and they'll feel shit forever. Your self satisfied gloating helps not one single person on this planet.

....aaaaaand forgot Broken Social Scene - Forgiveness Rock Record. It'd frankly top the otherwise unordered top ten, but there's something about BSS that manages quality across an ecelctically diverse range of styles so effortlessly, that it's a bit like including a Pro Evo game in your top ten games. It just sort of goes without saying so why bother. But for those who haven't stumbled upon this Canadian collective, then you are missing out.

Aaah bugger, forgot She & Him - Volume Two. Probably a bit twee for many tastes, but I loved it. (it's Zooey deschanel and m. Ward just in case anyone was wondering)

Albums, not ordered: belle & sebastian - write about love. Possibly their best album yet and a return to form after a few efforts they appeared to sleepwalk their way through. arcade fire - the suburbs. Part of me wanted not to like it so much just because it'll doubtless grace evy blimmin top ten in the sycophantic press (see also everything radio head do), but it really is very good, and full of the joy and charm of their debut. avi buffalo - avi buffalo. I still can't believe these guys are all in their teens, it's so poised and mature, some excellent song writing and quality tunes. crystal castles - II. I don't really do much electronic these days, but this album actually demands something from the listener. Missus mockney doesn't allow it in the car as it does her head in and that's usually a pretty good sign. deerhunter - halcyon digest. Again something of a grower, but mellower than their more experimental early stuff and with a wonderful pop sensibility woven throughout. fight like apes - the body of christ and the legs of tina turner. It's very FLA, full of acerbic observations and angry break ups, but it just oozes into you after a few listens. Great fun and long may they continue, though from the tenor of a couple of songs I think they may be considering letting go some of their more disturbing tendencies. the national - high violet. Another return to form album, achingly beautiful yet despite the dark tones, curiously optimistic. vampire weekend - contra. Yeah it's short, it's a bit like graceland, it's great fun and catchy. frightened rabbit - winter of mixed drinks. Builds on their debut, offering up another grim, yet poetically stirring slice of glasweigan life. zola jesus - stridulum II. Falling somewhere between Siouxsie and the banshees and Florence and the machine, a great solo effort from Nika Danilova. Well worth checking out. Honourable mentions: caribou - swim sufjan stevens - age of adz joanna newsom - have one on me (too scattershot to get under your skin, but some lovely songs amongst the filler) hold steady - heaven is whenever (eel, forgot about this one. Springs teen with a sense of humour, can I have a top. 11 please?)

Lawyers in pedantry shock!! It from Latin executorum to execute, executor(m), one who executes (literally gets something done) and the -rix suffix is the female form. Incidentally that's where actor/actress comes from too actrix, or actr?z en espa?ol and actrice en francais from whence we got the word. Ps no I'm not a lawyer. To echo Carnelli, there are surely things actually worth worrying about, I'm not sure how eliminating all gender from English will help. English'll be horribly dull when it's all one this and it that won't she ;-)

The missus is gutted she hasn't gone this year. She even managed it 8 months pregnant last year, and I swear the mocklet had a knowing grin as we played the pogues whilst decorating the tree this year.

Oh yes, "from beyond". I'm still convinced we all have a third eye on a stalk in our foreheads, just waiting to be set free!!! Not a horror film, but if people like lovecraft, then Call of Cthulhu is a great game on PC and consoles, non gaming horror fans might consider it too, as it's scarier than most films are these days. Maybe it's something about the immersive nature of gaming, but the good examples definitely creep you out or make you jump more than films do. See also Fear, Dead Space...list goes on....

Gosh how very Orwellian of you siousxie. Go the whole hog and deprecate 'she' whilst you're at it. Ive seen this person interviewed and find them intelligent, charming and self deprecating. The sitcom in question is a perfect example of the sort of mediocre comedy this country manages to produce in bucket loads, and I want to hate it, but having caught it a couple of times,it is SO ridiculously daft and puerile i do chuckle away at it. I guess it must have managed to inject it with a certain infectiousness that works.

Oh god. Just switched this on to see Beckham dedicate an award for a third of a lifetime kicking a ball, ,to the men and women in Afghanistqn. Hmmm, ok. And now Ms Jenkins (phwooar) doing a painfully mawkish death list thing. Am I in a parallel world, when did the BBC start going all....well.....ITV on us? I'm off to bed I thnk.

Severance just about to start on bbc1

I wasn't expecting that!!

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La cabina is a fantastic film (and Spanish por favor!!). We discussed it a little while back in a thread which is an eerie mix of this thread and the horror one. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,156578,157161#msg-157161

People in judgemental about stuff that doesn't fucking concern them shock.

But they came tantalisingly close didn't they.

I do love them too, but it has got to the point in horror where you think about five minutes in "don't tell me, it's a creepy girl with long straight hair? Yep, oh dear". That of cours not to detract for how good it all was when it broke to us horror fans, starved of new quality fare for some time. I don't think it's helped that the aesthetic was hungrily snapped up by game designers, meaning us gamers became jaded by it very quickly.

This is a total offtopication, but all I can glean from that togs is that from a point of near stagnation in the 80s, increased immigration has caused a dramatic rise in natural population growth (new immigrants and poorer people have more babies), which again, was rather the point of the policy (and of course the stuff of far right nightmares*). Anyway, as you were. *see about a billion exceedingly dubious books in the states full of schadenfreude, unable to contain their glee at the prospect of an islamicised Europe. Weird if you ask me

I wasn't disputing your point MM, just saying sometimes being an also-ran is ok, non glory hunters are fine with that. I also believe it's good for the soul.

If we went all allardycey then there would simply be no point at all in supporting them.

Some teams just ARE also rans MM. Nothing wrong with that as long as we are playing to our strengths. That's the whole joy of being a west ham, that it's always exciting and we lose loads and loads of games that we should have won, ie we played good football dominated possession, were worn down and hit on the break (or more likely a set piece, not being able to defend them is seemingly also in our DNA as I've yet to see a west ham side work it out). So we always think that one season it'll all just come together and we might actually win something, but weirdly it never seems to quite happen, but the hope is always there and genuine before it's dashed. Now if only I could think of a song that expressed those sentiments better than that.....oh wait.....

I don't think it's snobbish to value style over results. If it was all about the success then West Ham wouldn't have any fans at all let's face. This goes against the DNA of the club and would be a bad idea. I for one would honestly prefer to go down than have Allardyce in charge.

Absolutely loving Deerhunter's latest, could be their best.

I vote for the anarcho-syndicalists at every Spanish General Election. A beautifulmidea, but one that relies totally on the idea of social responsibilities over rights. Sadly that seems to be almost completely devoid these days, it's all me me me now isn't it.