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Salsaboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > OP, what offence does it specifically say on the > PCN? karen1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Has anyone else challenged getting a ticket for > being in the loading bay ouside Dulwich DIY ? > Last week I received a PCN for being in a bus lane > before 10 am ,after which restrictions are > lifted.

The loading bay question is irrelevant. The alledged contravention is being in a bus lane(moving traffic offence?) I presume the bus lane restrictions is 7-10 am.

DishandtheSpoon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi All > > @Ruffers - The Penalty Charge Notice, is from > Southwark Council, and says the reason for the > ticket(s) is 34J: Being in a bus lane. > This has been extreemly confusing. I just wish > they would expand on that more, because had I > known what I'd done exactly after the first fine, > I wouldnt have done it again. Im going to call > tommorow to get the exact meaning of the notice, > because if its the parking before 10am thing then > Im pretty sure there is a 3rd notice on the way, > having done the same thing last Friday to shop in > Somerfield. > > @Pickle - Where is the Camera shop out of > interest? > > @Fuschia - Thank you, I do always read the > lamposts when parking, but sometimes find when > there are 3 sets of restrictions on the notice, > for example, No return within 30 minutes, No > loading within X, Y,Z, etc, the notice isnt > immediately understandable. But accept that I am > in the wrong of course. It sounds like you have been issued a PCN for a moving traffic offence. You should be able to view the alledged contravention here

from Queens Road Consultation Your views count 'We are aware that parking difficulty may have increased in your area due to displacement from nearby B CPZ' And there the merry-go round continues. I'm sure the author of that report and the faceless bureaucrats, understood the obvious irony of that statement, and had a good smug chuckle to themselves.

Has the PCN been served by post? or have you recieved a Notice to Owner?

sums up what CCTV Parking Enforcement is all about.

You might what to check out the latest parking tribunal judgements on this thread regarding box junctions contraventions. http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=39246 The letter of the law regarding this offence: ........no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles. In a nutshell, if traffic is moving when you enter a box junction and you stop in box junction for what ever reasons, then no contravention has happened. the local authority will try scare you by quoting the highway code that you cannot stop in a box junction under any circumstances (yea lets just run over the kid running for the ball or lets just crash into the back of that 1971 volkswagon beatle thats has just died in the middle of rush hour traffic) but the highway code is not law.

cupcake_girl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > alas, they have rejected my appeal and apparently > they don't need photographic evidence of the > actual ticket, rather the photo of the van > committing the parking violation with the pocket > (albeit empty!) is sufficient. the rejection > included an explanation to say that i was creating > a hazard for pedestrians - if so, surely i should > have been issued the "ticket" in person and have > been asked to move. i'm not disputing the parking > violation, but would rather southwark acknowledge > that it was nothing to do with safety / enhancing > community life and everything to do with raising a > few bob. hats off to the chap in the you-tube > clip. > > yours sixty quid down What was the offence code?

dubluke Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > to enforce the fine they must have photographic > evidence of the parking ticket (the actual ticket > not just the sleeve) placed somewhere on your > windscreen or vehicle. Ask them to provide this > evidence to you, if they cannot then they have no > proof there was ever a ticket in there and you > shoudl be able to get off it. They don't need photographic evidence to enforce a parking a fine. Their contemporaneous pocketbook notes regarding the issuing of PCNs is sufficient.It obviously helps upon further appeal.

cupcake_girl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Dubluke and DJKilla Queen. > > Yes I was over the white line so technicially a > violation. Over zealous is an understatement, and > I'm annoyed they snuck the envelope on the far > side without speaking to us as it was clear what > we were doing. > > I will definitely ask them for the photographic > evidence of the notice and not just the envelope. > I've sent the letter off (their on-line appeals > system is down...!) and will let you all know how > it goes. They are private contractors,and their only concern is profit. You only have to look at this footage to realise they are not exactly people friendly.

You probably interrupted a well known desperate parking warden scam to get around observation time issues. "Every photo is date stamped via the camera so if a PA come across any vehicle offending they could set the camera 10 minutes or so fast - log the details in of the vehicle, slap an empty ticket bag on the car and take photo's to look like it's been ticketed, remove the bag and note the tax details etc before walking away. The driver returns and assumes he's okay because he was only gone a few minutes and there's no ticket. About 10 minutes later somewhere out of sight, the PA prints out the ticket and bins it !!! Because the camera time is 10 mins fast it coincides with the PDA time and ticket - if the driver appeals, the photos are there which show the ticket on the car." Wait for the Notice of Owner and we can take it from here. The corrupt parking warden may have made a mistake in the issuing of the ticket

R&A Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > my partner just pulled into a bus lane cos he > broke down (ran out of petrol). he was there > probably 30 mins whilst i went and got him some > petrol. > > i assume he's got no chance....? It was a Mon-Sund > 7-7pm bus lane on Camberwell New Road > > any ideas as to whether he's got a chance to > appeal? I've been reading around and had he NOT > pulled into the bus lane and just stayed in the > middle of the road - he'd be fine. But he thought > he was doing the right thing by pulling over.... > > I've spent an hour googling but i think we're > going to have to take the hit Unless you can provide evidence that the vehicle ran out of petrol due to an electrical or mechanical fault,TFL will probably reject your appeal.

Parking warden has almost certainly issued a PCN and then discarded it. I presume he has got his camera out to take photos to cover himself. Hopefully the delivery company has proof of delivery/collection invoice to cover themselves when the inevitable Notice to Owner arrives.

pepsi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyway, parking in breach of > > parking regulations isn't strictly 'illegal', > it > > is merely contrary to parking regulations > > Yes - and therefore due a ticket. Like it or not > (and I don't), nobody should be surprised to get a > ticket for this. It is after all pretty obvious > that double parking is a bad idea unless you want > to risk a ticket. There are exemptions for double parking in the Traffic Management Act 2004. http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Primary&PageNumber=7&NavFrom=2&parentActiveTextDocId=1606563&ActiveTextDocId=1606674&filesize=5619

Skye Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hope no one minds me jumping on the back of this > thread, but I am looking for a bit of advice too. > I got a parking ticket 8pm on a Saturday evening > (20th March) for parking in a disabled bay. I > totally never knew it was there, it was dark and > raining and I simply missed it. Anyhow, when I > pick my car up the next morning I noticed I had a > ticket, ironically I drove to LL so to save in cab > fares - not happy I come home, accepted defeat and > coughed up ?60. > > Last week I get a letter saying I owe ?180. I call > up and explain I have paid this and I am told I > was issued with 2 tickets and that I omitted to > pay the fine for Sunday 21st March which was > issued at 8.30am. Now there was without doubt only > 1 ticket on my car, and can they even fine me for > the same offence twice? Cheeky sods! > > Should I appeal? The fact the fine has gone up to ?180 means you have received a Charge Certicate. It also means you have gone beyond the appeal stage. If you were not aware of a PCN or Notice to Owner for the second pcn then you will have to wait for the Order of Recovery letter and then complete the Statutory Declaration letter. The council may then cancel the original PCN or issue a new one at the discount stage. Don't bother contacting the council, they will either give you incorrect information or just give you the run-around.