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Geez, it was just a tongue-in-cheek comment about the workplace/mines. I thought your earlier post suggested they should be eating meals with the extended family, as per the continent. Now you state that children don't interact with non-family children/adults/elderly. So in what context do you expect 2-3y olds to interact with the latter, if not with peers and their parents or should it be with just childless adult friends of parents? Genuine question, as your arguments seem to suggest different things. 'nursery is a parental convenience...' - a whole other thread. 'buggy...also a parental convenience...' - I think examples have already been given as to why it is more than just convenience. It seems quite judgemental to assess the level of social interaction a child has with their parents or others based on them being pushed in a buggy. It's just a snapshot of their lives. Incidentally, have you tried carrying a tired 2y old for any length of time? If you have, then you have more stamina and strength than me and are clearly a better person for it!

As the title says, we are looking for recommendations for British holiday destinations in July that a 2.5y old will enjoy and easy with a baby. Given the non-existent summer, it would be great if there were a reasonable selection (3?) of indoor activities available. We are planning to go for a week. Happy to drive for a few hours if needed. Thanks!

Yes, I agree. However, if a caf? chooses to welcome children and parents are willing to take them there then both parties should be vigilant. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to guarantee an accident won't happen (unless only cold foods/drinks are served!) and parents should accept this or not frequent these places with their children if they can not sit safely or play in a designated area.

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Of course interacting with their peers develops social skill, plus their peers will have parents so they will be eating with adults, too. They are not stuck on a 'kids-only' table. It's nonsense to suggest that interacting with those of a similar age leaves their social skills wanting - what about children at nurseries, school? Maybe they should come to the work place and eat in the staff canteen so they know how to behave when they enter the work force. Better still, send them down the mines again! I don't understand what your comment about kids in buggies has to do with social skills. There is a general misconception about families on the continent. The geographical distribution of the extended family, the structure of the day, the time at which they eat are all different to here. The toddlers there do not sit quietly at the table joining in the adult conversation, in fact their normal toddler behaviour is better tolerated (perhaps even embraced?) by the adults there than by those here - they don't worry about elbows on the table, talk when you are talked to etc. My previous comments refer to under 3 year olds, not school age children. The latter should be able to sit and eat properly at the table during meal times.

funkychick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As an adult I do not want to eat in a place that > has children running around and being a damn right > nuisance after all if I did that you would likely > call 999 > The reason 999 would be called is that it is not age-appropriate behaviour for an adult, whereas for a 2y old it would be. Children are not mini-adults, they are emotionally, intellectually, hormonally different. Therefore, to expect toddlers to sit quietly at a table is unrealistic and unfair on the child. However, (dare I suggest) they are a part of society and will eventually turn into cynical, miserable adults like the rest of us who can not tolerate anyone else that does not conform to our version of 'normal behaviour'. Therefore, allowing them to partake in and experience some of societies rituals, such as eating socially, particularly with their peers, teaches them several social skills. Some children are naturally more passive/placid/introverted so may be more amenable to sitting at a table for longer than those that are more extroverted (no, this is not a euphemism for bad-behaviour). I agree, having children running around in inappropriate areas is not safe for them or others (e.g. the Sainsbury's example given previously). Therefore, it is useful to have child-friendly places for those with children and those without can avoid them - believe it or not, even those with children like to enjoy some child-free time occasionally. Similarly, those with children can/should avoid child-unfriendly areas. Re: children in buggies - there are any number of reasons why apparently older children are in buggies. I know a lovely 3y old with cerebral palsy affecting her right arm and leg. She walks with a limp and falls after running a few metres. If you glanced at her whilst she sat in her buggy you would have no idea of any of this but perhaps you would roll your eyes, tut just loud enough for her mother to hear and hurry past them like they were a nuisance. On a slightly different note & relating to another thread in this section, I walked the length of Barry Road yesterday and stood aside to let people coming towards me pass at various points where the pavement is only one person wide. I let 9 people pass: 3 had buggies, 1 had a dog, 5 had neither; not one said thank you - some people have a sense of entitlement & some don't; some are rude & some aren't but I don't think it has anything to do with children, dogs etc. It's the individual.

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Another suggestion to help the transition to cow's milk is to add cows milk to the formula/ebm and gradually increase the proportion of cow's milk until that's all they are having. Formula tastes so different to cow's milk that it probably tastes like a completely alien drink to them!

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Sorry, bit confused...isn't 'good golly miss Molly' correct @ 'the man from laramie' incorrect?