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Requiescat in Pace 'Ricky Parfitt'. A great friend and long time resident of East Dulwich.

bingobongo Wrote: > New built....cant be...It's in street party photos > when I was 3..45. I think you are 14 years younger > than me..So it had been around quite a while..I > looked at it recently, on the street view map..It > had stone steps up to the top floor on the outside > wall, lordship lane end .when I was at St > Johns..But they are covered up and inside the > extension now. Yes indeed, strange what tricks the memory, or lack of one, plays. It was, indeed, the stairs that were new-ish. I never knew them uncovered so it was the enclosement of them that I remember as new build. Entrance into the downstairs hall was also from the new part. There was a time, I believe it was when they were building the extension on St John's, that our classes were held upstairs in the Epiphany hall. Where, exactly, do you suppose those pre & post bomb photos were taken from? Factory roof? > Mr Blackmore was ex RAF? He knew all kinds of > clever stuff, so educated everyone .. He took over > the corner shop from Mrs Murton (Merton) His > sister. I remember that list of things, with > coconut mushrooms, coconut chips, tiger nuts, > curly whirlies, raspberry ripple ice cream, > Mivvies..After Sunday school meeting place. Mmmmmm, Mivvies, and licorice wood, bally lollies, custard & cream sweets, barleysugar twist and Bazooka Joe with the cartoon inside.

http://www.mappalondon.com/london/south-east/peckham-rye.jpg Here is a map of Dulwich showing a large building off Tyrrel Rd. Can't find out what it was, as yet, but if it was a factory it may have had a chimney.

How about the large roofed houses in the foreground left of the chimney? Top of Worlingham Road maybe? The chimney can also be seen in the pre bomb photo, belching smoke.

> > On another issue, the factory chimney, the line > you plotted for the location was very similar to > mine, but I think we may have been misled: if you > look at the picture again, the church spire on the > extreme left of the picture can only be St.John > the Evangelist, can't it? So triangulating from > that and the location of the photographer > (opposite the Shawbury Rd/LL junction), the > chimney must be on a line roughly forty degrees > off the line from photographer to church. Hope > that makes sense, tried to show what I mean on the > attached. > > ETA did Nunhead reservoir ever have a chimney for > a pumping station, maybe? But does go through the mini Indusrial Estate first mentioned by Willard. Not sure about the reservoir but Nunhead Cemetery didn't have a crematorium as far as I know, if it did it would be right in line but I still think this chimney is bomb site side of The Rye.

All sorts of memories flooding back, or flooding hither & thither might be a better term for it. As I read back through some posts I recall other bits & bobs from my life in Dulwich. To Annie:- where you now live was indeed a Grocer?s shop in my day too. In fact, my Mum had a part time job there during the 60?s. It was owned & run by one, Mrs. Bartlett. I used to walk from St John?s School during my lunch break to the shop, where my Mum would feed me something more nutritious than school dinners, of which we could partake if so desiring, at the new built Epiphany Hall in Bassano street; built where the bomb shelters used to be I believe. Said, Mrs. Bartlett had two daughters, one definitely named Sue and the other, Christine I believe but I might be wrong there. I recall Sue had a car, I light green Austin Mini with an odd formula 1 type racing car front on it. Never seen another one before nor since. Anyway, that?s my memory of your house, Anne. I do recall Blackmore?s on the opposite corner, his old NSU scooter parked outside, crisps, Dandelion & Burdock, Zing, Tizer, flying saucers, Sweet Cigarettes, Jamboree Bags & suchlike sensations. To BingoBongo:- I went to school with a lad who lived in Kent House on Bassano, by the name of Stephen Wayne. Did you know the Wayne family? I went to cubs in the Epiphany Hall, 10th Camberwell ?C? pack. By the way, great photo of yourself and your Sister. And so, back to the chimney and other fragments. In an earlier post I mentioned the Welsh dresser in my Grandmother?s parlour. Now, I might have got two stories mixed up here. My Grandmother did indeed live in Crawthew Grove and that is certainly where I recall the big dresser in her parlour as a child. However, my Great Grandparents lived in Nutfield Road. You can actually see their front door in the post bomb photo. It would seem far more likely that they had the dresser at that time and their house was where it got caught up in the pressure from the explosion. I keep coming back to the chimney. Apart from the brick factory theory, which was only a rough guess at best, if you look closely the lower part of the chimney can clearly be seen which positions it photographers side of Peckham Rye/Park as the Rye or Park trees are certainly behind it. I think Tyrrel road, as put forward by ?Willard? still seems to be the best shot but I?m certainly not poo pooing anything else put forward. We?ll never know what type of lens was used on the camera but we?d have a better chance if a photographic historian looked at them. Surely the trees might be a clue though. The post by ?edhistory? and the photo offered would still seem to point to the Swimming baths and there were tall trees on the back of Goose Green and the triangle where the swing park was in my day. A tit bit for those who don?t know it. On the front of the Lord Palmerston, above the big window, there is a bust of Palmerston himself looking out onto Lordship Lane, presumably for the Intermittent 185 bus. This can be made out on both the photos if you know what to look for. It?s still there today as I?ve just seen it on Google Maps. Amazing the amount of people who have lived most of their lives in Dulwich and don?t know he?s there. Also, outside the main door of the Palmerston, on the corner, is a square manhole cover. On this cover is, or was, written something along the lines of ?London County Council Tramways? or perhaps just ?L.C.C.T?., I can?t remember. What I do remember is lifting it up sometime in the 70?s and finding, within, the old electric conduit which ran the third rail of the trams which ran along Lordship Lane. This was pointed out to me by the late and lovely, Jack, a Dulwich 'historical icon' whose surname escapes me for the moment (Alley perhaps). He had a brother Ted. Anyway, I?m sure some of you knew him, ?it?s not us, it?s them?! And finally:- If you look at a map of East Dulwich, using Whateley Road, Landcroft Road & Crystal Palace Road as borders, the shape vaguely resembles a Bishops mitre (upside down). There is also a bigger one on the outside of that if you use Landells Road & Lordship Lane. Heber Road runs across the middle of the shape and there was certainly a Bishop of Heber. Whether this has any significance in the great scheme of things I have no idea but it is something I knew from somewhere when I was young. Right, that?s my lot. I wish you all a very merry daft season and all the best for the New Year & Beyond. Love.

And that line, edhistory, would make my swimming baths boilerhouse theory a little more valid. Where did you come up with that? I took a line disecting the right angle of the pavement at the corner of Shawbury Road when I did it. It was rough but it seemed to work.

https://uk.pinterest.com/nelliewombat/peckham-nunhead-dulwich/ Some great old shots of the area here.

I used to get my meat from Tony in North Cross Road. Went in one day and asked for my usual pork chop cut with a piece of kidney. "Not allowed to do that any more", says Tony. "Against EU regulations". Do you suppose now that we've done the sensible thing I could once again get my chop & kidney?

Hi WIllard, an interesting thought not sure whether that estate was there in the 40's, possibly. If it was, it's a good candidate for the chimney placement. Well done.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok. the buses are busy in the rush hour but during > the day a handful of people .. > > I really can not see any justification for > spending many Millions of pounds to tunnel 4-5 > miles > to carry so few people. It makes no sense. > > Improving the service from East Dulwich .. > Peckham Rye .. Denmark Hill ... Forest Hill would > seem a better idea.. > > DulwichFox And that has what, to do with the price of fish? I'm talking about the 1950's!

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Dr. Gunawardene was my Doctor, after Dr. MacMillan on Goose Green retired. Such a lovely man, do anything to help anyone. Which was why he was struck off for a while then re-instated when The GMC realised their mistake. I don't think that can be my Brother in your photo, he would have been four in 1950, would have been 70 now. Sure looks like him though, I was a dead ringer for him as I grew up, though he was 10 years older than me. Turnings, as you say, odd indeed. Perhaps where you turn into from the main road? Although, thinking about it, there were no 'roads' in the City of London, they were/are all streets.

Can't place the wild boggy bit in Townley Road, interesting though.

The clay is why they never brought the Underground out to Dulwich from The Oval or Elephant & Castle. There were original plans for a station at The Plough and then on to Forest Hill but it wasn't financially viable to tunnel through the clay. On Peckham Rye, where the water table is close to the surface it is rarely not boggy & waterlogged in Winter.