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Requiescat in Pace 'Ricky Parfitt'. A great friend and long time resident of East Dulwich.

bingobongo Wrote: > New built....cant be...It's in street party photos > when I was 3..45. I think you are 14 years younger > than me..So it had been around quite a while..I > looked at it recently, on the street view map..It > had stone steps up to the top floor on the outside > wall, lordship lane end .when I was at St > Johns..But they are covered up and inside the > extension now. Yes indeed, strange what tricks the memory, or lack of one, plays. It was, indeed, the stairs that were new-ish. I never knew them uncovered so it was the enclosement of them that I remember as new build. Entrance into the downstairs hall was also from the new part. There was a time, I believe it was when they were building the extension on St John's, that our classes were held upstairs in the Epiphany hall. Where, exactly, do you suppose those pre & post bomb photos were taken from? Factory roof? > Mr Blackmore was ex RAF? He knew all kinds of > clever stuff, so educated everyone .. He took over > the corner shop from Mrs Murton (Merton) His > sister. I remember that list of things, with > coconut mushrooms, coconut chips, tiger nuts, > curly whirlies, raspberry ripple ice cream, > Mivvies..After Sunday school meeting place. Mmmmmm, Mivvies, and licorice wood, bally lollies, custard & cream sweets, barleysugar twist and Bazooka Joe with the cartoon inside.

http://www.mappalondon.com/london/south-east/peckham-rye.jpg Here is a map of Dulwich showing a large building off Tyrrel Rd. Can't find out what it was, as yet, but if it was a factory it may have had a chimney.

How about the large roofed houses in the foreground left of the chimney? Top of Worlingham Road maybe? The chimney can also be seen in the pre bomb photo, belching smoke.

> > On another issue, the factory chimney, the line > you plotted for the location was very similar to > mine, but I think we may have been misled: if you > look at the picture again, the church spire on the > extreme left of the picture can only be St.John > the Evangelist, can't it? So triangulating from > that and the location of the photographer > (opposite the Shawbury Rd/LL junction), the > chimney must be on a line roughly forty degrees > off the line from photographer to church. Hope > that makes sense, tried to show what I mean on the > attached. > > ETA did Nunhead reservoir ever have a chimney for > a pumping station, maybe? But does go through the mini Indusrial Estate first mentioned by Willard. Not sure about the reservoir but Nunhead Cemetery didn't have a crematorium as far as I know, if it did it would be right in line but I still think this chimney is bomb site side of The Rye.

All sorts of memories flooding back, or flooding hither & thither might be a better term for it. As I read back through some posts I recall other bits & bobs from my life in Dulwich. To Annie:- where you now live was indeed a Grocer?s shop in my day too. In fact, my Mum had a part time job there during the 60?s. It was owned & run by one, Mrs. Bartlett. I used to walk from St John?s School during my lunch break to the shop, where my Mum would feed me something more nutritious than school dinners, of which we could partake if so desiring, at the new built Epiphany Hall in Bassano street; built where the bomb shelters used to be I believe. Said, Mrs. Bartlett had two daughters, one definitely named Sue and the other, Christine I believe but I might be wrong there. I recall Sue had a car, I light green Austin Mini with an odd formula 1 type racing car front on it. Never seen another one before nor since. Anyway, that?s my memory of your house, Anne. I do recall Blackmore?s on the opposite corner, his old NSU scooter parked outside, crisps, Dandelion & Burdock, Zing, Tizer, flying saucers, Sweet Cigarettes, Jamboree Bags & suchlike sensations. To BingoBongo:- I went to school with a lad who lived in Kent House on Bassano, by the name of Stephen Wayne. Did you know the Wayne family? I went to cubs in the Epiphany Hall, 10th Camberwell ?C? pack. By the way, great photo of yourself and your Sister. And so, back to the chimney and other fragments. In an earlier post I mentioned the Welsh dresser in my Grandmother?s parlour. Now, I might have got two stories mixed up here. My Grandmother did indeed live in Crawthew Grove and that is certainly where I recall the big dresser in her parlour as a child. However, my Great Grandparents lived in Nutfield Road. You can actually see their front door in the post bomb photo. It would seem far more likely that they had the dresser at that time and their house was where it got caught up in the pressure from the explosion. I keep coming back to the chimney. Apart from the brick factory theory, which was only a rough guess at best, if you look closely the lower part of the chimney can clearly be seen which positions it photographers side of Peckham Rye/Park as the Rye or Park trees are certainly behind it. I think Tyrrel road, as put forward by ?Willard? still seems to be the best shot but I?m certainly not poo pooing anything else put forward. We?ll never know what type of lens was used on the camera but we?d have a better chance if a photographic historian looked at them. Surely the trees might be a clue though. The post by ?edhistory? and the photo offered would still seem to point to the Swimming baths and there were tall trees on the back of Goose Green and the triangle where the swing park was in my day. A tit bit for those who don?t know it. On the front of the Lord Palmerston, above the big window, there is a bust of Palmerston himself looking out onto Lordship Lane, presumably for the Intermittent 185 bus. This can be made out on both the photos if you know what to look for. It?s still there today as I?ve just seen it on Google Maps. Amazing the amount of people who have lived most of their lives in Dulwich and don?t know he?s there. Also, outside the main door of the Palmerston, on the corner, is a square manhole cover. On this cover is, or was, written something along the lines of ?London County Council Tramways? or perhaps just ?L.C.C.T?., I can?t remember. What I do remember is lifting it up sometime in the 70?s and finding, within, the old electric conduit which ran the third rail of the trams which ran along Lordship Lane. This was pointed out to me by the late and lovely, Jack, a Dulwich 'historical icon' whose surname escapes me for the moment (Alley perhaps). He had a brother Ted. Anyway, I?m sure some of you knew him, ?it?s not us, it?s them?! And finally:- If you look at a map of East Dulwich, using Whateley Road, Landcroft Road & Crystal Palace Road as borders, the shape vaguely resembles a Bishops mitre (upside down). There is also a bigger one on the outside of that if you use Landells Road & Lordship Lane. Heber Road runs across the middle of the shape and there was certainly a Bishop of Heber. Whether this has any significance in the great scheme of things I have no idea but it is something I knew from somewhere when I was young. Right, that?s my lot. I wish you all a very merry daft season and all the best for the New Year & Beyond. Love.

And that line, edhistory, would make my swimming baths boilerhouse theory a little more valid. Where did you come up with that? I took a line disecting the right angle of the pavement at the corner of Shawbury Road when I did it. It was rough but it seemed to work.

https://uk.pinterest.com/nelliewombat/peckham-nunhead-dulwich/ Some great old shots of the area here.

I used to get my meat from Tony in North Cross Road. Went in one day and asked for my usual pork chop cut with a piece of kidney. "Not allowed to do that any more", says Tony. "Against EU regulations". Do you suppose now that we've done the sensible thing I could once again get my chop & kidney?

Hi WIllard, an interesting thought not sure whether that estate was there in the 40's, possibly. If it was, it's a good candidate for the chimney placement. Well done.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok. the buses are busy in the rush hour but during > the day a handful of people .. > > I really can not see any justification for > spending many Millions of pounds to tunnel 4-5 > miles > to carry so few people. It makes no sense. > > Improving the service from East Dulwich .. > Peckham Rye .. Denmark Hill ... Forest Hill would > seem a better idea.. > > DulwichFox And that has what, to do with the price of fish? I'm talking about the 1950's!

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Dr. Gunawardene was my Doctor, after Dr. MacMillan on Goose Green retired. Such a lovely man, do anything to help anyone. Which was why he was struck off for a while then re-instated when The GMC realised their mistake. I don't think that can be my Brother in your photo, he would have been four in 1950, would have been 70 now. Sure looks like him though, I was a dead ringer for him as I grew up, though he was 10 years older than me. Turnings, as you say, odd indeed. Perhaps where you turn into from the main road? Although, thinking about it, there were no 'roads' in the City of London, they were/are all streets.

Can't place the wild boggy bit in Townley Road, interesting though.

The clay is why they never brought the Underground out to Dulwich from The Oval or Elephant & Castle. There were original plans for a station at The Plough and then on to Forest Hill but it wasn't financially viable to tunnel through the clay. On Peckham Rye, where the water table is close to the surface it is rarely not boggy & waterlogged in Winter.

The newest London buses (Boris Buses) don't have doors, just the platform on the back. They are still pretty rare as far as the number of them against the other types of bus are concerned. It's a bit small, the school photo, and when I zoom in it gets blurred. But yes, I do believe you have my eldest brother (deceased) there. If it is, that would make you around the beginning of your seventh decade? Mr. Hughes was still teaching at St Johns when I got there. On the chimney, another thought I had was that it might be from the one time brick factory! I had an old ordnance survey map at one time that showed parts of Dulwich were a market garden. Then, as it was gradually urbanised, they used local clay on which most of Dulwich & Peckham sits, and there was a small brick factory closeby. No idea where it was or when it was destroyed and the chimney felled but it's a thought. Another thing I find interesting in East Dulwich is Underhill Road. If you walk the length of Underhill you'll see more different types of architecture than any other single street, certainly in London but possibly the country. Each house has, or had if they've been covered over with pebbledash or similar, the builder's specific mark above the front door. I know at least some are definitely still visible.

I don't recall any spring boards in Dulwich Baths, you had to go to Peckham Lido, opposite the Kings Arms, to find a spring board. My Brothers and I were all born in Crawthew Grove and all went to St Johns, I'm a bit younger than the wheelchair person but I'm sure you would have gone to primary school with my brothers. Now I remember, it was 6d for first class and 3d for second at the baths. It was a 2d half to get home from Goose Green (Later named Poo Park) on a 185 bus to the plough. If the bus stopped at the stop on Lordship Lane hill, it was going slow enough at Milo Rd to jump off and save the walk back from The Plough. Were we really that lazy or merely boys with the daring do!

I'm afraid I don't know Evans Cycles either. The main difference between first & second class to me was the size. First class was bigger and had higher diving boards. It was also 2d to get in first and 1d to get into second class. Might have been 4d & 2d. First class had a balcony around it with seating for watching galas etc and they would often close the pool and lay parquet flooring to support christmas fetes, jumble sales and the like.

Haven't actually lived in Dulwich for a number of years so memories are all I've got really. I don't know Dulwich Leisure Centre at all. Dulwich baths were directly opposite the church, across the green. The fire exit from the second class baths came out on CP road, that's where I think the chimney was. Must have a physical trip down memory lane sometime, see how it's all changed.

Thing is, Rendelharris, Lordship Lane takes that curve but Crystal Palace Road doesn't. That chimney, to me anyway, looks to be in a direct line from camera through the top of Worlingham Rd.

Hi All, I?m glad someone brought this forum back to life. These are great photos of Lordship Lane. I was born & brought up in East Dulwich. My Mother was a Post Office Clerk at the branch in Lordship Lane, where it still is now as far as I know. She had finished her shift the afternoon of 5th of August 1944 and waited for the tram outside the Co-Op to get home to Sydenham where she was living with her Mum during the war, my Father was away in North Africa. She got on the tram and had made it as far as halfway between St Peter?s Church and the bridge by the old Lordship Lane Station (about where Underhill comes out), when that V1 landed. I?ve often wondered whether that tram was early, late or on time! A strange thing, my Paternal Grandmother lived in Crawthew Grove. She had a large oak Welsh dresser in her parlour, set against a wall. That blast moved the dresser around 190 degrees, depositing it in the middle of the room. No windows were broken! The power of pressure. I used to play on this bomb site when I was a kid. As for the chimney, and bear with me here, as most of you know, Lorship Lane takes a left bend just past the Lord Palmerston. That said, I wonder if, and by looking at the distant trees, an old camera lens may have had some foreshortening and the chimney is actually that of the coal fired boilers from the public baths and swimming pool, right opposite St John?s church but on East Dulwich Road. I believe the boiler house was in Crystal Palace Road, where they built the 2nd class pool later on. I might be way off but it?s food for thought and I don?t know of any factories in that area. Where the railings on St Francis Park are concerned, I understood them to be stretcher arms when I was a lad but you snapped back before I could get my new ?puter online. Ho hum but yes, very interesting.

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I went to the see the Hunt/Lauda film Rush last > night and was more than surprised to discover one > of the early scenes was of a Formula 3 race in > Crystal Palace Park. In spite of living in South > London for 30 years and having visited Crystal > Palace Park many times, I never knew it had been > used for motor racing. Google found me various > links to it's history including this YouTube clip > of a 20 lap Formula 3 race from 1970, complete > with Murray Walker commentary and James Hunt in > the line up. > > > e=youtube_gdata_player I saw Jochen Rindt race at The Palace, broke down right by the lake. As a kid I watched a lot of racing there, bikes mainly but cars as well. Circuit closed because it was dangerous to the extreme, in particular the right hander, South Tower Cresent, after the downhill section and short straight. I saw Fritz Scheidegger crash his outfit into the wall there, spectacular. Both he and his passenger, who may have been Tony Robinson, were unharmed.

dennyboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i met my wife in the uplands tavern in the late > 60s,the pub was owned by johny minns and every > saturday they had a group playing called "THE > OUTRAGE",does anyone remember any of these > times,the group also played at our wedding in > 1971,some of the names in the pub were,dennis > collier(me), ray cecil, johny carrol, jimmy smith > john friar,the lead singer of the group was colin > who worked at h samuel the jewelers in peckham > high street. I remember the Uplands in The 70's. Yes, owned by Johnny Minns, (most decorated Britsh Soldier in WWII) who didn't give a hoot about anything and carried a sword stick at all times. The DJ at that time was his nephew, Bobby. Manager was Chris Somethingorother, buggered off to Australia years ago. There was another John FRYARS but he came along a little later, I think. Did Jimmy Smith marry one of the Ryan sisters? Jackie maybe?

Blackmore's was on the Southeast corner of Goodrich & landcroft roads, opposite, on the Northeast corner was a small grocers shop run by Mrs. Bartlett. Mrs. Bartlett had two daughters, one was Sue and the other escapes me. Mr. Blackmore used to keep his old, yellow motor scooter outside.

I just remembered Penny & Barbara, you beat me to it. They lived in Crystal Palace Rd before Penny & Colin were married, respectively. Yes, Mary, I'd forgotten her name altogether. Thanks for the memory.