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silverfox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My worry here is it could be used against the > innocent offensively as well as used by potential > victims defensively. Therefore no to legalisation > because criminals could abuse it. > > Having said that, my sister has carried pepper > spray, legally available in France, in her handbag > for many years. The way things are going in the UK, Silverfox, your sister is wise beyond, well, beyond East Dulwich Forum, I guess. I did say, in my original post, that they would have to be registered. I think they would also have to be properly supervised, one would be trained to use them corectly. Maybe have to do a course in self defense to get a license for one and suffer the legal consequences if used incorrectly. It's a sad reflection but it's coming to that, the police can't stop the mindless violence and the judicial system is no deterrent. I think, maybe, people's minds are changed when they've been at the thick end of it all.

"Looks like business as usual regarding Tasers and Stun Guns despite the legal position" Sorry, the shop is just a front. You can't actually visit it and purchase these items, only order online or over the phone for sale & delivery 'outside Netherlands'. Note the phone number, it's +32 prefix, that's Belgium, just around the corner. What you may have seen in Amsterdam were like many things, on the market for a short period while laws were passed restricting them. I never saw them but that's not to say they didn't exist. The Dutch are always wheedling things out to restrict, like the most recent things outlawed, magic mushrooms. http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Pepper_spray

It's the attitude of people like you that make us ashamed of our colour! YES, you read it right this time.

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Ask yourselves this boys & girls, are you comfortable singing Ba ba white sheep? Having no golly on you jam jar? This is the sort of nonsense it all started with.

Most of you need to learn to read before you blow everything out of proportion. It reads what I have written, not what you want it to say for arguments sake. And I was in the Northern hill region of Thailand, that's the only toothpaste I could buy. Maybe someone who has travelled, or travelled in 70's Asia might support.

Stormed out of the house after a row with his wife, knocked over a fire hydrant and straight into a tree, normal American driving skills. Police would only have been called because the fire hydrant going off would have registered.

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Beware of vanity publishing! That's where the publisher does the main body of work which you pay for, then they leave you with a number of books and the job of selling them. That's harder than it may seem.

I came home from Thailand one time, back in 1980, my bags were throughly searched by HM's men in black & white. they found a tube of toothpaste named 'Darkie Boy', it's logo was a picture of a negro wearing a top hat. HM's lads, not finding anything they might arrest me for, confiscated it on the grounds that it might be construed, by some, as racist. That was the first time I came up against this ridiculous, politically retarded mindset. It has only got worse since then.

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't know what the situation is now but when I > lived in France during the late nineties and > Holland during the early noughties it was legal to > purchase and carry electric shock/stun devices > (and even Tazers in France if one didn't mind > registering with an authorised vendor) and > tear-gas sprays along with lots of other defensive > gadgets. > > I don't recall any evidence that they made much > difference to the crime rate except that criminals > and victims were equally likely to use them. > > Personally, I've been to and lived in countries > where it was normal to carry a knife, a handgun > and an assault rifle just to go to the local shop > - I've never really gotten over that experience: > just don't feel safe without an AK47! Hal, I live in Holland. It is not, nor ever has been, legal for civilians to carry stun or taser devices or repellent sprays. Pepper spray is classified as a Class II weapon of the Weapons and Munition Act (Wet Wapens en Munitie), putting it in the same class of regulation as fully automatic fire-arms, explosive devices and other war gasses such as organophosphate nerve gasses. It is a prohibited weapon except for police officers, who carry it as a less than lethal weapon, as an alternative for using their side-arm. It has never been for sale on the open market. The same applies to taser or stun weapons, though they are classified under a different act. Where did your info come from? France is a different matter.

Don't mention Hell to Hal!

Any Colour you like - Pink Floyd

I'd like to get people's opinion on the legalisation of pepper spray to be used as a deterrent in muggings and street violence in general. Personally, I think it's a good idea. The police are having difficulty maintaining control of the streets and I think that some form of defense spray might be what's needed to even the odds. They would, of course, have to be registered and used only in an emergency or suffer the legal consequences.

Cord

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Great stuff, it can make for riveting conflab. Maybe we'll start again sometime on a different topic. TTFN.

PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Interesting you had 'two part'? How come everyone > else is having a one part? And when did you have > it? The swine flu jabs were only rolled out about > 4 weeks ago and they're all just one injection. > Maybe the first jab you had was the ordinary flu > jab. Sorry you suffered an effect. No, actually, Rose, as I now live in Holland it's probably a different regime. It's in two parts, I had one shot two weeks ago and the next on the 10th of December. In Dutch it is called Mexicaanse Griep (Nieuwe influnza A). I dare say a net search might dig something up on it.

What a difference a day makes - Cory Lee

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cripes - is prison that boring? Incest not > outlawed until time of Moses. See Leviticus. I just noticed this comment. I've looked through and can find no mention of prison anywhere, to what or whose remark, do you pertain?

My apologies, Hal, if I said something to make you feel a little threatened, it wasn't intentional. Why the flippant remark at the end there?

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Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tax and NIC - they are both lost money, any > attempt to reconcile amounts paid with the direct > benefits received is futile. > > David - at ?50 for a photocopy I'm sure they won't > lose money on that particilar operation. > > If someone decides to go private that only helps > take the stress off the NHS. > > Yes "Yman" I think you should be entitled to the > copies free - you would otherwise be adding to the > NHS waiting list and the cost that we all pay for > people to be treated. > > All taxpayers should be grateful for those who go > private - we don't therefore have to pay for their > treatment with our taxes. Ultimatley its just more > money for consultants, but at least one person > moves up the NHS waiting list. Thanks, Mick, I'm glad there's a couple out here with the wherewithal to see it like it is.

It amazes me that there is room for debate on this.

Nowhere Man - The Beatles