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fredricketts Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To many back handers floating around. And what evidence do you have for this? You will of course remember from the McAlpine case that the libel laws apply to the internet, so be very careful what you say.

BTW what's happened to the improvement works at DH? The lifts and new station entrance were supposed to be completed by the time that the new service started, but no such luck.

We went from Denmark Hill to Clapham Junction, and then changed for a train to Imperial Wharf. This meant that we travelled very quickly to a station that is near the other end of the Kings Road. A big bonus in not having to change at Victoria for the District/Circle to Sloane Square. My wife regularly has to travel to Kingston/Surbiton en route for her parents. Up to now she had to struggle on the erratic and crowded 37 bus from ED to Clapham Junction and vice versa; now she will be able to go from CJ to DH and then back home on one of three frequent bus services.

Well, if it's a choice between an empty shop after Iceland leave and a new M&S, it's M&S every time as far as I am concerned.

Surely no building would be involved in a new Victoria-Bellingham line - only extra or diverted trains to run the service. This would go some way to compensate for the loss of the SLL, at least for DH and PR passengers, and can't be too expensive.

I totally agree, Bic Basher.

The tunnel at the end of the Victoria Line runs some way between Brixton and Herne Hill, so it shouldn't be too difficult to extend the line at least to Herne Hill. There have been proposals on and off for the last 80 years to extend the Bakerloo Line from the Elephant to Camberwell (and possibly Peckham) - the Camberwell extension proposals even appeared on some tube maps after WW2 (I believe). Why can't these plans be reactivated?

Does anyone know why M&S have withdrawn their application (if this is in fact the case)?

I thought that ED had already been the new Nappy Valley for some years.

That should have begun "But a helluva lot of them are".

But a helluva lot of them, especially a great chunk of the younger and fitter ones who have grown up in a dog eat dog society and (I suppose) know no better. When I was growing up, kids automatically gave up their seats to adults. My wife, who is in her sixties and unable to stand up for a long time, was recently approached by a woman on a bus who had the cheek to ask her to give up her seat so that her child could sit down! Lane Lover doesn't sound too sympathetic to the plight of disabled people and those less able to stand.

The deadline for comments was 14 September. So does anyone know when we're likely to hear the outcome? The timetable for the whole rail franchising process has been boogered up by the West Coast Line fiasco. What effect will this have on the Thameslink franchising process and what effect, if any, on the choice of Blackfriars as terminus for certain Thameslink services?

I thought that there was to be a choice between either the Thameslink trains from Herne Hill or the trains from Denmark Hill terminating at Blackfriars (or least most of the trains from one of these stations terminating there). As I understood it, the trains from HH were more likely to be chosen for operational reasons. Has there been a recent change in the position that I haven't heard about?

Lowlander Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Who else found geriatric offensive then? Fred Rickettes did, for one. But please let's get back to discussing M&S and Iceland.

MP, it is NOT my problem. Huguenot said "There is rarely anything more offensive than geriatrics who have benefitted from running up a credit card that their children will have to pay off, until they get self righteous about it." It's pretty clear that his use of the word "geriatric" was, and was meant to be, offensive. And I'm not the only poster that found it offensive. Can we please get back to discussing M&S and that celebrated workers co-operative Iceland.

My reference to "bankers and the like" (not just bankers) was in response to Huguenot's insulting reference to "geriatrics" when he really meant "retired people" and his attempt to blame so-called "geriatrics" for the state of the country. I agree that the thread should have been about the M&S proposal and intended to say so in my post responding to Huguenot, but unfortunately didn't.

Huguenot, calling older people "geriatrics" is as offensive as calling black people by the "N" word, and I deeply resent it. I get my retirement pension in a year's time, but the UK pension is very low compared to similar nations such as France and Germany, so I won't be exactly flush with money. If you want to attack any group of people, then blame the people who have asset stripped the economy in the last thirty years - the bankers and the like. They are the people who have left this country in its present state, not a few over 60s who claim the Freedom Pass, which would not be needed if the retirement pension was at all adequate.

Just because someone wants an M&S store in place of Iceland doesn't make them a snob. Please stop making this a class issue. I would prefer M&S and I don't regard myself as a snob - I'm no Andrew Mitchell, far from it. Iceland isn't some idealistic workers' co-operative - it's just as highly capitalist an organisation as M&S.

I understand that as at about 6.30 the road had not been fully reopened. Any idea when the work will be completed?

And still pretty bad for town bound traffic in LL at 11 am.

E-dealer, I am certainly no fan of that poseur Boris - far from it. In fact the improvements to the London buses were brought in not by Boris but by his Labour predecessor, Cuddly Ken, who should receive due credit for this achievement. If Boris ends up running the country, Gawd help us!

People who complain about buses arriving a few minutes late clearly have not experienced bus travel outside London. Even just into suburban Surrey buses run once an hour and sometimes not on Sundays. We have three buses running down LL towards Camberwell and it's very unusual to have to wait more than five minutes for one of these. What is more, London bus stops have so much more information about their routes. Frankly we don't know how lucky we are.

Surely a more direct route (apart from Thameslink of course) would be London Bridge to Moorgate on the Northern Line and then Circle/H&C/Metropolitan to Farringdon.

There's an article in today's "Southwark News" (Dulwich & Herne Hill edition) entitled "Huge public outcry adds extra time to train cut consultation". This includes the sentence "The service through Herne Hill, Elephant and Castle and Blackfriars into central London faces the axe from 2018 as part of a shake up of the [Thameslink] network - with services from Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye also facing uncertainty". This is surely badly worded, if not misleading, since it could be interpreted as suggesting that the through London services from both Herne Hill and Denmark Hill could be axed, when, as I understand it, it would be only one of these two services that could be taken away, and then for operational reasons.

The last time that I was in M&S, there were no organic dildos on sale - or am I unobservant? More seriously, the invective against middle class people (or in other cases against working class people) on this MB sometimes goes way over the top. As I and many other posters have commented at length, the issues before the Planning Committee relate to the acceptability of the proposals in traffic, parking and housing terms, not the merits or otherwise of M&S and Iceland