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That's one way to spin it.....until you rationalise it with the fact that OneDulwich only came into being because of the lack of transparency and accountability from the council and councillors over a lot of these measures - they lied from day one and those who felt they were being taken for a ride by the council engaged with One Dulwich because it gave them a voice. People were annoyed because the council would tell anyone that would listen (catalyzed by the pro-LTN lobbyists and cheerleaders) that is was a small vocal minority of residents who opposed the way the council were handling themselves - it was anything but a small vocal minority and that's why so many local residents signed up on the One Dulwich website. But you're happy with the council to have an incredibly cozy relationship with pro-active travel lobby groups and to manipulate engagement processes, ignore constituents to get the result the lobbyists want?

I don't have the exact plans just have the artist's impression on the link provided in this thread - do you have the exact plans - if so, do share them? So do you think the chicane that is currently in place is temporary and will not be in the final design when the works are completed?

Just not the hairdressers.....;-)

Let's hope that is the case as, I am sure you'll agree, it's very tight at the moment. Are they going to be narrowing the pavement on the far side from the new kerb then?

Sorry let me correct it for you expensive looking "natural stone paving" as the council refers to it - has anyone seen something as extravagant anywhere else in Dulwich? The kerb stones are in though aren't they? The track and the new chicane is clear to see. You know what, looking at that council schematic I can't help but wonder why they didn't just divert bikes around Gilkes Place and Gilkes Crescent and avoid the whole trying to mix bikes and pedestrians in a pedestrian area. An emergency vehicle will not fit along the path currently created heading up Calton unless it mounts the new pavement - I might be wrong but I thought the council had said that all emergency vehicles would have to go up Court Lane and cannot use Calton anymore?

It is indeed and duly corrected. What do you mean we all need to pay our way - don't we do that already? What else can be done to target the crime - do people think the police and council are currently doing enough? Parts of Dulwich are becoming crime hotspots yet nothing ever seems to be done.

But Earl, ignoring another one of your false accusations, do you have any input on whether you think it does anything other than: Add new expensive looking crazy paving Restriction of emergency services access to Calton Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton

Springtime - we will never know but what we can say is that in Dulwich Village crime is increasing and the types of crime that are behind the rise are the types of crime where criminals prey on individuals and don't want a lot of people around to interfere.

In Dulwich Village crime IS increasing. The attached chart is the latest 3 year trend from the police website. Now some time back I was looking at specific types of crime in Dulwich Village - the trigger for which was me seeing the aftermaths of crimes in the area and the fact Cllr Leeming had said there was no increase in crime just a perceived increase in crime. Looking at the data it looks like he, and those who say crime is not increasing, are wrong - both at the overall reported crimes and significant increases in certain crime types. Some types of crimes are increasing significantly (or they were earlier this year and then the police stopped reporting crime numbers - I think I read they were reclassifying crime types and I have not gone back in to continue digging out the detail). Anyway here is the trend for certain types of crime year by year. Not sure how crash for cash gets classified but there has been a lot of that around Court Lane as the thieves pray on school run drivers and rely on only the driver and the "victim" witnessing it. Here is the thread from which the data below is taken and a breakdown of one of the areas that has been contributing to the increase - robberies (knife point, phone snatching etc): Now, it's a bit of challenge trying to understand where the type of crime that is becoming such a problem locally is logged but there are three categories where it would reside when reported: robbery (where theft, a weapon or violence is used), theft from a person or other theft (phone snatches are filed as other). Now over the last three years all three categories have been growing considerably in the Dulwich Village ward: 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 January 2024 Robbery: 5 Theft from person: 7 Other theft: 6

I think it might be as they are also on the paths in the middle of the park too.

Accountability. The council was acting with impunity, forcing it's plans on residents without following the correct procedures - it's clear they used Covid rules as the trojan horse to ram home plans they had no overall local consensus for. And remember, the council was forced to re-run it's CPZ consultation because they were not fulfilling their legal obligations (as none of their previous consultations did either) and we can than groups like One Dulwich for that. Whilst the council continues to ignore local public views towards their measures and rolls them out anyway a line has been drawn in the sand and if there is ever an investigation into whether the consultations were legally binding then a lot of the councillors will be called in to discuss their role in it. By far the best thing One Dulwich has done though is really annoy some of the pro-LTN campaigners on here - the amount of hours some on here spend whining about who is behind it etc is brilliant and again shows what a great job One Dulwich are doing - the fact they really make some irate is brilliant to see!

Err Malumbu, because it is close to opening and there wasn't another thread that fitted my question and are you here to police what people do or don't post. Look, if people are interested in the subject then the thread will live, if not then it will die - that's how forums work! I am sure a few people are looking forward to the opening but to me it seems like a huge waste of money that, other than the points I raised earlier, seems to have done nothing to improve the junction. Can anyone tell me what the huge spend has actually changed? It seems to me that in their desperate attempt to finally (and quickly) close part of the junction to emergency vehicles the council has spent a huge amount of money - I have never seen paving like that anywhere else in Dulwich and it looks like it cost a fortune - at a time when the council is pleading poverty it is a bit hypocritical

As the wraps start to come off the Dulwich Square hideously expensive works can anyone see what the difference is to how it was before other than: New expensive looking crazy paving Restriction of emergency services access to Calton Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton It all all seems a lot of money spent for very little.

Clearly a lot more than makes you and others who attack them feel comfortable with....the relentless attacks on OneDulwich show just what a thorn in the side they have become for the pro-lobby (most of whom, if the rants on here are anything to go by, seem not to like any balance in the debate or any opposition to their grand plans).

Ha ha, why does this not come as a surprise to anyone..... Far more likely is what really upsets you is that someone is providing some opposition to the measures you support, you'd be far happier if your agenda could be activated without anyone able to say a word against it. Thank goodness for One Dulwich.

Well said...and people are, usually, smart enough to see through these ludicrous attempts to try to make a point. It was clear from day 1 that RaptorTruckMan was a fake account.

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2024/oct/05/doubts-grow-over-labours-vat-plan-for-private-schools

Is anyone angry with Iran for their role in all of this? It may be too simplistic but the moment Saudi were taking steps to normalise relations with Israel, Hamas decided to launch their attack knowing full well the right wing Israeli government would use it to flatten Palestine. Innocent civilians on all sides are being caught in the mess - pawns in a much bigger geo-political battle.

Very good point...well made.

I noticed today that the stencils have also been applied just inside the Court Lane gates too. There must be a "go slow" campaign being run by the council...only a few cyclists were heeding the advice today.

Yup - you're confused and I am trying to help you understand but it is clearly a struggle. Maybe someone else can help you understand it as i cannot make it any clearer.

I think it is you that doesn't understand it i am afraid. About the accuracy of tube counters in stop start traffic under 10kmp/h - yes. Does that mean i agree with all of her conclusions in her published research- no. And why would it, its nonsense to suggest I would. Just because I like one song from an album doesn't mean i have to love the whole album. Life isn't binary. Honestly, come on....your claim that because I agree with her on one thing is a massive reach at best to suggest I then agree with everything in that report or everything she has ever published. Really? Is that how you approach everything? Yup looks like RaptorMan forgot to log out of their troll account and log back in to their main account to like the post...it was bound to catch up with them eventually....:-) I wonder who it actually is......

And they did admit that. They have both admitted they are not designed to work in stop start traffic and should be used in free flowing conditions but also claim accuracy (in most circumstances but they do not qualify what those circumstances are - maybe it is within free-flowong traffic under 10kmp/h we just dont know). Aldred, and others in the industry, seem to agree with their "not designed to work in stop start conditions". And I am with them on this one. You are not and that is fine too. That's your decision. You have assesed the presented evidence and made your decision. Just because a manufacturer makes a claim doesn't mean it is true - always look out for caveats like "in most circumstances".

Of course THEY (MetroCount) do because THEY are trying to sell their product at a time when more accurate tools are coming into the market. It doesn't mean it is true - it is a claim. A claim the likes of Aldred even challenge.

<removed> I have merely validated her claim that tube counters do not count well in slow moving congested traffic. For even you to claim any of us have validated her overall research (if you want yo have a discussion on that bring it on as I have already posted some of my comments on that when it was first released) is a work of pure fantasy. This is confirmation bias by you on a massive scale and utterly laughable. You must be really desperate.