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A mile is a long way when it comes to the council's attitude towards spending..... Honestly, were there ever two images that perfectly summed up Southwark Council..... The council and it's cheerleaders should be ashamed #forthefewnotthemany

But Earl, come on - how are One Dulwich misrepresenting the council's data - which you can see below. What message does the council data send you? And just imagine what it would look like if Croxted was reported accurately and they'd bothered to monitor Underhill....I am pretty sure this is not the grand vision promised by the council.....in fact in Cllr McAsh's stated view this must be considered a failure must it not? https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/improving-our-streets/live-projects/streetspace/traffic-data-analysis

Malumbu - you do it all the time. Let people be critical - Southwark is big enough to defend itself and doesn't need a resident from outside the borough trying to come to their rescue - let them be accountable for their actions and their behaviours.

Trinidad, when you posted yesterday I thought to myself "be careful you'll upset Malumbu". And behold.... The irony being Malumbu is Southwark council's number 1 fan and self-appointed protector of their reputation and doesn't even live in the borough! 😉

And your point is what exactly...at least we are talking about Dulwich Square and keeping it on subject, ahem....

What does it show then? You would acknowledge, surely, that if there was displacement the roads that have shown significant increases in traffic since pre-Covid would be the ones expected to show an increase?

So, in other words, you don't have any examples. The one you cite is interesting in itself because I am not sure you can claim that as mis-information as they are presenting their conclusions and backing the rational for that conclusion with the council's own data. Interesting to note that they also flag how the council may have (deliberately?) used erroneous data in their monitoring figures to help massage them. Given Cllr McAsh said that the measures could not be considered a success if all roads did not see a reduction then, by his own bar, the council dashboard reveals that is has failed - those East Dulwich Grove increases over pre-Covid/pre-LTN monitoring are shocking . https://www.onedulwich.uk/news/data-confirms-failure-of-dulwich-ltns

Which mis-information in particular? If you respond with any examples, I would suggest it's not on the scale of the misinformation programme run by the council and their supportive cheerleaders around the "success" of said LTNs.

I agree, there are too many intangibles at play to be able to say what has, or hasn't created, the increase in crime in the whole ward. I do think there is a debate to be had whether quieter streets with fewer cars mean that certain types of crime are easier to commit and allow targeting of victims. The current modus operandi of crash for cash only really works on quieter streets and it is no coincidence that areas around the DV LTN are being targeted by criminals. On phone snatches and knifepoint robberies the argument could be made that because there are more people walking around the quieter streets then that part explains the rise in crimes of that nature (which aren't happening on Dulwich Square but on the surrounding streets. Overall, in the Dulwich Village ward, crime is on the way up, is the highest it has been in the three years of monitoring available on the police website, and it is being driven by certain types of crime - I don't really care what the cause is but what the solution is because it is Dulwich residents (all of our neighbours) who are often on the receiving end of what can be terrifying encounters that can have lasting impact.

I think the council are targeting those with particular issues.

It is an incredibly small sample size as one postcode averages about 15 houses - one street could be 4 or 5 different postcodes maybe more? Can you search for multiple postcodes on that site? As far as I am aware there is no way to search multiple postcodes on the police website and they only offer you the ward detail and at the ward level crime is increasing. You can do a summary of monthly crime and which part of the ward it is being "reported" but I have no idea how accurate that is but there seem to be two distinct epi-centres for crime in the ward - around Herne Hill station and the centre of Dulwich Village (it fluctuates month to month but you can see the epi-centres). https://www.police.uk/pu/your-area/metropolitan-police-service/dulwich-village/?yourlocalpolicingteam=about-us&tab=crimemap There are so many factors involved in why a crime happens in one area or another (I am amazed how many people wander down roads where there is a known phone snatch problem typing away on their phones) but the upward trends are worrying - especially the robbery from a person (as often knives are involved) as these can be hugely traumatic for the victim. It is clear that criminals are targeting the Dulwich Village area and certain types of crime are rising and the overall picture for the ward is not good either.

Never mind what's on the artists impression - have you been down there to have a look - a 25 ft long and 9 ft wide fire engine weighing 13 tonnes could not negotiate through without driving up the kerbs but, as I mentioned before, I am sure I read that emergency vehicles can't use Calton anymore.

Yeah that bit confused me too because the bits of France I go to are very much not like Switzerland......

It's now one of Time Out's must-see parts of London apparently.......especially with the new really expensive crazy paving!! Apparently Time Out claims that the cost per brick is the most expensive of anywhere in the world - making it London's must-see white elephant with the publication telling readers to "get there quick" before the council changes it all again because the cycle lobby think the new paving is "too bumpy".....;-)

What has the Daily Express got to do with it? Are you saying this because you think this thread has some scare story element to it (a la the Express). The fact remains crime is going up in the Dulwich Village ward and paying more taxes or being more French isn't going to slow the rate of increase any time soon.

What I find galling is the council deemed Dulwich Square more of a priority than other far more pressing infrastructure needs.

That's one way to spin it.....until you rationalise it with the fact that OneDulwich only came into being because of the lack of transparency and accountability from the council and councillors over a lot of these measures - they lied from day one and those who felt they were being taken for a ride by the council engaged with One Dulwich because it gave them a voice. People were annoyed because the council would tell anyone that would listen (catalyzed by the pro-LTN lobbyists and cheerleaders) that is was a small vocal minority of residents who opposed the way the council were handling themselves - it was anything but a small vocal minority and that's why so many local residents signed up on the One Dulwich website. But you're happy with the council to have an incredibly cozy relationship with pro-active travel lobby groups and to manipulate engagement processes, ignore constituents to get the result the lobbyists want?

I don't have the exact plans just have the artist's impression on the link provided in this thread - do you have the exact plans - if so, do share them? So do you think the chicane that is currently in place is temporary and will not be in the final design when the works are completed?

Just not the hairdressers.....;-)

Let's hope that is the case as, I am sure you'll agree, it's very tight at the moment. Are they going to be narrowing the pavement on the far side from the new kerb then?

Sorry let me correct it for you expensive looking "natural stone paving" as the council refers to it - has anyone seen something as extravagant anywhere else in Dulwich? The kerb stones are in though aren't they? The track and the new chicane is clear to see. You know what, looking at that council schematic I can't help but wonder why they didn't just divert bikes around Gilkes Place and Gilkes Crescent and avoid the whole trying to mix bikes and pedestrians in a pedestrian area. An emergency vehicle will not fit along the path currently created heading up Calton unless it mounts the new pavement - I might be wrong but I thought the council had said that all emergency vehicles would have to go up Court Lane and cannot use Calton anymore?

It is indeed and duly corrected. What do you mean we all need to pay our way - don't we do that already? What else can be done to target the crime - do people think the police and council are currently doing enough? Parts of Dulwich are becoming crime hotspots yet nothing ever seems to be done.

But Earl, ignoring another one of your false accusations, do you have any input on whether you think it does anything other than: Add new expensive looking crazy paving Restriction of emergency services access to Calton Creation of a pedestrian vs cyclist choke point on the new cycle chicane at the entrance from Calton

Springtime - we will never know but what we can say is that in Dulwich Village crime is increasing and the types of crime that are behind the rise are the types of crime where criminals prey on individuals and don't want a lot of people around to interfere.

In Dulwich Village crime IS increasing. The attached chart is the latest 3 year trend from the police website. Now some time back I was looking at specific types of crime in Dulwich Village - the trigger for which was me seeing the aftermaths of crimes in the area and the fact Cllr Leeming had said there was no increase in crime just a perceived increase in crime. Looking at the data it looks like he, and those who say crime is not increasing, are wrong - both at the overall reported crimes and significant increases in certain crime types. Some types of crimes are increasing significantly (or they were earlier this year and then the police stopped reporting crime numbers - I think I read they were reclassifying crime types and I have not gone back in to continue digging out the detail). Anyway here is the trend for certain types of crime year by year. Not sure how crash for cash gets classified but there has been a lot of that around Court Lane as the thieves pray on school run drivers and rely on only the driver and the "victim" witnessing it. Here is the thread from which the data below is taken and a breakdown of one of the areas that has been contributing to the increase - robberies (knife point, phone snatching etc): Now, it's a bit of challenge trying to understand where the type of crime that is becoming such a problem locally is logged but there are three categories where it would reside when reported: robbery (where theft, a weapon or violence is used), theft from a person or other theft (phone snatches are filed as other). Now over the last three years all three categories have been growing considerably in the Dulwich Village ward: 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 January 2024 Robbery: 5 Theft from person: 7 Other theft: 6