BelowtheBelt

:-$ Been a long time since I looked into these forums ... still fairly informative and interesting. I might just come back again sometime ... when I am sober :))

I thought that I did ? I gave a very watered-down question ?? Hmnn, maybe we are not ready to start asking the kind of questions that truly should be asked ... ???

Yes, Mic Mac, but tonight I am somewhat plastered, as you can probably tell from the constant stream of mispelt/mistyped words I can typing - well, it either this lappy keyboard I am not used to or my fingers which have been affected by copious amounts of Vodka this evening not keeping up with my brain's though processes ?:-$ This all means that I feel little inhibition tonight ... and I hail from a less than privelleged background and grew up within the very community of which I speak - and it hurts me deeply to see how badly it has all deteriorated over the last twenty years !

' looks like you answered your own question just a few moments after you asked it...suggest you carry on chatting with yourself on this one... ' ha, yes I am doing a good job of doing this tonight, eh ?! Oh well ... where did that bottle Vodka hit the ground ???

Yes, Horsebox, intervention programmes do have their place ... and they will help those that are willing and have the mindset to change their outlook and ways. However, for every one that is turned, there are many others whom shun any notion of fair-play and decency ... so, fo thesem what do we do ? Tell me ?? Do we continue with the apporach we currently have that is failing miserably on a national level ??? Please do enlighten me here ????

Why do we have so many young black men turning to mugging ? I am sure there must be many white ones out there too ( even asians ), but they are really commented on. That is the point being made, no more or less ...

' Peado clowns. Lots of them. Might have been before you left town but if you've got kids, best to watch out anyway. ' Horsebox, I never knew this .. tell me more please .. I have two kids in the area ?

' The crime figures for Southwark have gone down in the last five years. ' ... and violent crime and offences against the person ? Listen, you can get stats to say whatever you want .. and reading through many of these threads and you often pick up on the fact that many do not want to report their experiences - apply this to those not even frequenting these forums and how many do you think then go unreported around here in Dulwich ? Truly ??

I won't shed any tears for this nasty piece of human scum ! The only injustice of it is that it wasn't committed by some poor, young afflicted person of colour that suffered at that evil shyt's hands before his death !! Grrrhhhhh !!!!

My wife has advised me that there is a drugged up white couple that she has seen trying to attempt to pick-pockett people as they wait to get on the bus inPeckham on her way back from work, but that's all I know of thus far ? For all of your info, these two are a scraggley couple and very skinny, wearing tatty old clothes and baggy jackets ( sorry, vague, I know, but that's about all she has ).

Amd, yes, I was joking about going out and pounding the streets in number ... It is a nice idea, but unworkable in practise, I feel. You would always get someone that would evetually overstep the mark or reasonable and lawful conduct, especially when it comes to a lawful apprehension ... then the whole thing is buggered from that point on. But like many of of you on here, I do feel that the way our legal system deals with violent youth crime must drastically change in order to affect their ways and attitudes for the better ....

The problem is, our system does not work. Until we get 'more brutal' - yep, I darn well said it - with many of these young thugs, then little will change ! Sorry, but all the 'lilly-livered liberal-lets-try-and-understand-them' approach has failed and will continue to do so. The problem for many of these youth is that they have already degraded themselves to a violent state of mind and trying to re-programme them is nigh on impossible when you are doing it with little more than empty threats and harsh words ( although I don't even think many of them get this ?!! ). Much of the behaviour has little to do with 'utter need' and is bourne out of downright dissrespect and evil motives, nothing more or less.

'Strength in numbers', Horsebox - I wouldn't head out unless we had a 50 strong crew - more than enough to overwhelm a local thief or six, you know ! I hear you ... and , yes, it is difficult to respond within the remit of the law ( but if the Police are failing to keep us safe, then we soon reach a point o critical mass ( I would argue this was reach long ago ) and that people power can seriously intimidate when it is done in number. However, there is always the fear of reprisal thereafter, sadly ...

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Really sorry to hear of your dreadful experience, Dean. I am getting rather concerned at the number of certain types of youth that seem to apear on this forum related to some crime or other. I think it might be an idea to get a group together who walk around the streets of Dulwich in the late/early hours of Fri/Sat and Sunday ... not quite vigilantes, but along the lines of a serious community care group who will effect citizens arrest where necessary. Just a thought ... Any volunteers ?