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No not the original but a repro when we did GCSE art, that was pretty big!

Donny Hathaway - Donny Hathaway

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So many to choose from but this one I studied as a wee nipper still has a lot of resonance in today's day and age:

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You must look beyond the veneer.

Yes but the high street is so varied. Build it and they might come if not it closes down.

What, switch the lights on if asked? Me too.

All Bar One aren't that bad. in fact they good beer! The one near where i work sells about 25 with at least ten on draught. M&B are very good at what they do, I went to a M&B pub in Twickenham, The Bear, and it was brilliant. Like the Bish but much better. http://www.fluidfoundation.com/venueuserreviews.aspx?VenueID=1890

http://www.beauberryhouse.co.uk/index.php it's quite close to the Village but really it's next to West Dulwich rail station. The house is set in Belair Park which is quite pictureesque. The P13 also runs past.

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I'll raise some money - say ?100 for ammunition. I was thinking to buy buns from Le Chandelier - hang on, we'd run out of ammo within 60 seconds.

JJMB are not upmarket - no more so than Mamas and Papas. Each to their own where they choose to buy their goods. If you don't like what's on the high street either don't patronise the establishment or open up your own place and put your money where your mouth is - let's test out those sure fire ideas of yours.

It is so dull and predictable. A blubbering morass of scare tactics and other ways to control the population. A change of tack.. please!

I'm inclined to agree with Sean. Heidi hasn't said anything outlandish, far from. her point is that we tend to overreact in this country and in truth it aint half bad. Turkey and the mid East are times worse than here. They (Israel) had to build a gargantuan series of - legal/illegal - walls to reduce the numbers of suicide bombers. You all forget how regular those news reports came in about devestation.

In saying that I agree I do have sympathy with the police who on this subject will be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Hopefully they will follow Heidi's point and intercept before a suspect enters a public space.

What are Abel and Cole like?

Cater for the male* half of ED.

Michael - you make a good point as does Anna and Sean. Your point re the ultimate police society is so true. What is the point of all these cameras if all they do is deal with the past and not preventing crime? Will ID cards get us any closer, I think not.

I am sure there have been some foiled attempts but perhaps not as many as the police/government would like us to believe.

@ AD - I really don't think this is a class war thing. Come on now! From a non ED/Camberwell perspective this is an example of the all too rare application of common sense. For the greater good and fair on the othe residents of that part of Camberwell who were/are currently contending with greater volumes of traffic.

If some people are delighting in 'posh bashing' that's their pretty sad preserve.

So will ED (Dulwich generally) become a magnet for street drinking like parts of Lambeth did for openly selling/buying/smoking marijuana?

If it is safe to stop/slow down I always do, in saying that I look in my rear view and wing mirrors prior to stopping. I am always a sucker though for the elderly, children or those with small children.

Brilliant pics Snorky. What a shame about the cinema - I love that Art Deco look. Reminds me of the Royal Festival Hall.

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I wonder sometimes

> whether the fact that it is often men who are so

> vocal on this subject, is aligned to the fact that

> it is one over which, ultimately, they have so

> little control. Women may be more inclined to

> think 'there but for the grace of god....etc'.

Although this issue does affect women more keenly than men, I don't think that means men should not a. have opnions on the subject or b. legislate (i.e. male MPs). We talk of society and it is for society through MPs and judges (as useless as some may be) to make the law that fits the current morality of this society. This can and will change over time by science and increased conservatism or liberlaism but it is a matter for men and women together to determine not women alone.

Otherwise, like PGC says, none of us could expect anyone but victims, sufferers or perpetrators of whatever crime, disease or condition to be able to debate and frame opinions/legislation on whatever the matter of concern.

We went to Blackheath too! Must have had pyrotechnic fever. This was almost on another level to Brockwell Park in terms of scale - way more than 60,000 attended. Music playing - I think the team behind it must really live for their art. They even manged to play the circle of life by Elton John at one point - cue lots of circular firework displays - genius! That aside it was amazing, the big booms were almost overhead. Did anyone make it to Burbage Road?

Frisco - yes we discussed the finer detail of Gay Friendly. Once again, I give the Rye a big thumbs up. Food wise it's the best although The Mansion, its sister pub in Gipsy Hill/West Dulwich, perhaps shades it for me.

Went to Brockwell this evening, it was once again just brilliant. The organisers did themselves proud. A really nice evening for one and all.

I have tonnes. Every coupple of weeks about 30 decide to invite themselves in - I blame those damn rose bushes (6)