Mark Dodds

Sue, as for 'It just needs somebody there who knows what they are doing' It'e certain that the people who set up the Patch thought they knew what they were doing however irrespective of that the point, seriously, is that the Magdala site is TIED and the pubs you mention above are now all free of tie. That makes a massive difference. Plus when it comes to 'they all seem to be doing fine' - they only 'seem' so after hundreds of thousands of quids' worth of investment and 'seem' is the operative word. Three years from now the 'fine' situation may be very different.

The law doesn't come into effect until after going through third reading in the Lords, next February and it will apply only to tied leases that are running - new leases are not affected. Enterprise are disposing assets to pay interest on debts so they may sell the head lease on for a premium.

John Kennedy What a pleasure to meet you today and thanks for the recommendation to go to WK Smith in Forest Hill - mission accomplished without stress or ado. And thanks again for handling a delicate matter so gracefully. A privilege to shake hands! Best wishes for Christmas if you do that kind of thing and for 2015. Cheers!

I just noticed - Enterprise are NOT the freeholder they are the head leaseholder. They were subletting to the Patch people... This is not uncommon. Don't know who the freehold is owned by. Does anyone in this forum know? The pub has a massive amount of potential freehold or even possibly free of tie if the rent isn't insane.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Dodds posted this on the Cherry Tree thread > (29 October): > > "Someone above recommended to Chris and Antonia > that the Magdala/Magnolia is for sale and they > ought to take that on. That is an action NoT To BE > Recommended: It's an Enterprise Inns tied lease. > Any more info wanted about this toxic kind of > leasehold - message me or ask Jamie at the > Palmerston. They bought their freehold from > Enterprise and have a lot of experience of that > company's behaviour." > > ETA: I don't know how to link to a single post, or > even if it's possible to do that, but it's on this > page: > > http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?3 > 0,987030 This thread is from some time ago. The lease of the Magdala / Patch whatever will no doubt be on the market again soon, unless Enterprise Inns sell the freehold for alternative use or maybe decide to try to lease it direct to Tesco or some other gigaco nobody would want in the area. The pub would be completely viable if it were not in the clutches of a vampire blood sucking corporate criminal scam lease company but otherwise anyone taking it on again will be knackered some years down the line, now that a serious amount of investment has been put into the building there's a chance that someone will take it on and last a bit longer than the most recent sorry incumbents who've lost more than their shirt on it... I did warn them, I offered support, they didn't take it up... Enterprise Inns did their stuff. I warned people off this toxic lease and doing business with this vile company, I predicted it. I don't get any pleasure from being a clairvoyant. It's not difficult to predict this stuff really - I've done it on every pub in the area for the last twenty years and no one has taken a blind bit of notice. Anyway. Here is the sign of 'Peaceable Reentry'.

Hello fine people. Urgent pressing appeal! I?m looking for someone who might like to take minutes tomorrow afternoon at the inaugural meeting of the People?s Pub Partnership?s board of trustees ? PLEASE! The meeting starts 3pm in the back room at Ivy House on Stuart Road in Nunhead http://www.ivyhousenunhead.com/ I will record the meeting if no one's able to come along in person ? There will be up to ten people at the meeting and there will be an agenda. It?ll last about an hour and a half I think ? two hours at absolutely most ? and there will be some social after. The pub people are going to do some nibbles and refreshments. Most of the trustees have never met each other and it should be fascinating, for them at least, ? they?re all very good at what they do in their own areas of expertise, one, Dale Ingram, who?s a woman by the way, is CAMRA?s Pub Campaigner of the Year 2013, and they?re all very different and all very passionate about pubs. Should be some fun especially if you?ve got a personal interest in pubs and people and beer. If everything goes according to plan, the meeting should be a little bit of history, the beginning of a revolution in pubs! http://www.peoplespubpartnership.org If you?re interested and want to know more or just want to do it anyway ? please call me 07768 096 761 I?m posting this at 20.14 on Wednesday 09 October? thanks Mark

If you're following events at Ivy House Nunhead TAKE NOTICE! http://ivyhousenunhead.com/ Community meeting ? Sunday April 14th We?re holding a public meeting on 14 April 2013 from 10.30am ? 12.30pm. Location: in the Ivy House, 40 Stuart Road SE15 3BE. There will be a brief talk starting at 10.45am, outlining the story of the project so far and what the current position is. Please come and meet us! We?re very happy to answer questions and chat about the project, the community share issue and your ideas for the building. There will be teas, coffees and some snacks. Everyone is welcome, whether you?re a resident, local business or are coming from further afield to hear about the latest developments. at 12:15 pm: Share Issue - see the link for more...

Great NEWS!. Salient part is: Now YOU can buy a bit of The Ivy House Nunhead and make London pub history. Go to 'BUY SHARES' here: http://www.ivyhousenunhead.com/

What A Shame.

That rather brilliantly lucid and insightful assessment of the Enterprise situation and the likely position of the incumbent lessor wouldn't be from the Daft House side of things by any chance Charlie?

Briefly - if it's the lease, rather than the freehold which is being taken on at Magnoliadala then it's extremely unlikely to be Young's or any other 'brewer' or pubco - they will not sign up to being fleeced by the terms of the beer tie and a fully repairing and insuring lease with Enterprise Inns. i.e. they are not stupid, gullible, inexperienced or naive enough to buy a dead cert loser. There are some circumstances when taking on a tied lease will not lead to financial ruin but ONLY if it is sold on before the lease terms, the poor condition of the building and and the onerous beer prices catch up with you and squeeze you dry. I advise anyone interested in any tied lease, anywhere, to STOP, do some serious research, be alarmed at what you find, then walk away.

The Sun and Dove is shut now forever as the pub I operated for sixteen years. I was served eviction papers by Scottish & Newcastle Pub Company for 23 September 2 days short of 16 years since the day I signed the lease in 1995. The rent and beer prices were so high the business barely made any money. Which is a contributing factor to all problems the business experienced - right down to shaky service at times. If you can't invest in a premises it makes it harder to keep customers, harder to keep staff interested and tends to lead to a cruel downward spiral of disrepair and neglect. If you're interested in why so many pubs are closing all over the UK it's because of the beer tie. I've got a blog here [anotherdayanotherdollar.blogspot.com] which has a lot of stories and thoughts about it all but is not a timeline that's easy to read through. The Morning Advertiser, the publicans' publican's newspaper has an article about it: [bit.ly] The years of being in a pressure cooker made me have a nervous breakdown in 2007 - which you may understand to some extent affected normal service at the Sun and Doves for a whole couple of years - I was suicidal for a while. It was a grim period. But during my recovery and since I vowed to do something about this inequity and gathered together a bunch of other tied lessees and set up The Fair Pint Campaign www.fairpint.org.uk which has lobbied government for the end of the beer tie and has presented evidence about the pubcos to three Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committees who subsequently have recommended that pubcos be legislated against. IN the last two years I've been working on the foundations for The People's Pub Partnership: [bit.ly] It's going to take a couple of months for me to gather my things but PPP WILL happen. If you're interested to know more please do send a note to [email protected] with KEEP ME UP TO DATE in the subject - THANKS

I'd like that Mockney Piers, thanks, when the dust's settled eh?

I didn't come back to this because I've been busy... The Sun and Dove is shut now forever as the pub I operated for sixteen years. I was served eviction papers by Scottish & Newcastle Pub Company for 23 September 2 days short of 16 years since the day I signed the lease in 1995. The rent and beer prices were so high the business barely made any money. Which is a contributing factor to all problems the business experienced - right down to shaky service at times. If you can't invest in a premises it makes it harder to keep customers, harder to keep staff interested and tends to lead to a cruel downward spiral of disrepair and neglect. If you're interested in why so many pubs are closing all over the UK it's because of the beer tie. I've got a blog here http://anotherdayanotherdollar.blogspot.com/?zx=12aa159d191fe7f9 which has a lot of stories and thoughts about it all but is not a timeline that's easy to read through. The Morning Advertiser, the publicans' publican's newspaper has an article about it: http://bit.ly/nNANtb The years of being in a pressure cooker made me have a nervous breakdown in 2007 - which you may understand to some extent affected normal service at the Sun and Doves for a whole couple of years - I was suicidal for a while. It was a grim period. But during my recovery and since I vowed to do something about this inequity and gathered together a bunch of other tied lessees and set up The Fair Pint Campaign www.fairpint.org.uk which has lobbied government for the end of the beer tie and has presented evidence about the pubcos to three Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committees who subsequently have recommended that pubcos be legislated against. IN the last two years I've been working on the foundations for The People's Pub Partnership: http://bit.ly/qpe85z It's going to take a couple of months for me to gather my things (I have nowhere to live at the moment) but PPP WILL happen. If you're interested to know more please do send a note to [email protected] with KEEP ME UP TO DATE in the subject - THANKS

There's no need to spoof new mother. They do it authentically all on their ownsome.