Dulwich Born And Bred

I agree and it?s so important that every school adopts something like that, as the headmaster stated ?We won?t ever have a fully inclusive society if we don?t tackle racism/unconscious bias in school? or something along those lines. It?s why I?m passionate about things like the https://www.theblackcurriculum.com/our-work or the course implemented at that school to be made compulsory in the UK. Our children are the only ones that will be able to stop unconscious bias in the future. The Government however has rejected The Black Curriculum?s petition by stating that each school is in charge of their own curriculum so they don?t feel they need to discuss changes. It seems like unless the school has a great Head like the one in that programme or parents put pressure on their schools to adjust their curriculum to tackle racism/history, things will never change. Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > A really good watch and educational: The school > > that tried to end racism. > > > https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-school-tha > > > t-tried-to-end-racism > > I thought this programme was thought provoking (in > a good way). What I found most interesting is how > the already established differing levels of > confidence affected the thought process of the > kids. But I also came away with hope. Children are > far smarter than we sometimes give them credit > for, and at that age, they have a simple approach > to life that says everything must make logical > sense. That is a key impetus of learning at that > age anyway. I really liked the way the programme > sought to empower everyone around their culture > and identity. The key to ending racism is exactly > that - finding value in our own culture and > identity, as much as others. Tackling inequality > in turn, is then something everyone can work > together on.

A really good watch and educational: The school that tried to end racism. https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-school-that-tried-to-end-racism

You are ace! Alec1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SpringTime Wrote: > > > > We're now in a situation in which the history > and > > culture are being compromised - statues down, > film > > and TV materials being removed, will it be book > > burnings next? None of this will help black > > people... none of this will help anyone. > > History and culture are not being compromised, > they are being exposed. The ugly truth. That's > why we all feel uncomfortable. So we should be. > > This isn't about pulling down statues, book > burnings, street name changes, that's all symbolic > BUT respectful. Is anyone here actually proud of a > statue of a slave trader? Or a street named after > one? No wonder the BLM are pulling them down, > they're angry. So would you be if you had spent > hundreds of years being enslaved, beaten up, > killed, treated like second class citizens because > of your skin colour. > > What it is about, is white people learning and > checking their ingrained prejudices. This country > was built on slavery and racism. Nothing to be > proud about. > > We have an opportunity to change the future, can't > change the past, but we CAN acknowledge it rather > than hiding behind our white privilege. It's up to > all of us to make this happen. > > Of course all lives matter, no one says they > don't, but right now (and for hundreds of years) > black people are suffering because of the colour > of their skin. > > What's problematic about 'all lives matter' - lots > of different explanations > > https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12136140/black-all-l > ives-matter > > This is US, but black parents in the UK have these > conversations. > > https://www.facebook.com/538470420/videos/10158474 > 333170421/ > > Still think we don't have a problem in the UK..... > > > > 643496449 > > Anti racism resources > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BRlF2_zhNe86SG > gHa6-VlBO-QgirITwCTugSfKie5Fs/preview?fbclid=IwAR0 > qYDNvDMpPq6AtzyhLY-lzPOoI-1jrswyAOE5c3u4Rs0S7xLiIL > xFR0Ys&pru=AAABcwqZBxI*gAzqzYftNmHi01Hb0Z7qYw > > What can you do to help? > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cq6zYlu-yFtcqu > _J7pG4RpenlN-yPRINLShnnLyPfRQ/edit?fbclid=IwAR3Pkw > A5oy0ewfo3w4tyBI422JAvqEUsQlldQP_djGj1DVoANzuDW9gx > V9c

The only time BLM needs explaining is to those of them like you refusing to accept their privilege. Everyone else I know fully understands BLM including my young child. I have only ever seen people who are in denial arguing against BLM. So it?s not the slogan that is the issue, it?s the people in denial. TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > No Cat, all you have done is post links to > people > > who display the undertones of feeling some > threat > > to their white identity because black people > are > > fighting for equality again. > > Again, I think you're being very disingenuous Blah > Blah...'All I have done is post links'....thats a > patent untruth. I have posted a few links amongst > a myriad of detailed comments...the lions share of > which are my own thoughts and make no reference to > said links.... > > Anyway, even if you don't like those links...you > once again you ignore the link to the Guardian > article...written by a prominent black > journalist....basically saying the same thing I am > (ytes, from a different perspective, but the > conclusion is broadly the same). Shall we dismiss > his views as well? > > Also...posting links to stats verifying what we > already agree-on seems a bit odd? You seem to > really be struggling with the concept that I agree > on the unequal playing field and the > injustice...but think the slogans (not > specifically BLM...but also things like > #mutedbutlistening, white silence is violence, > Understand you'll never understand) are not > productive in moving the debate forward. You > constantly are trying to convince me of what we > already agree on!! > > Finally...What DR said...I dont condone the > vindictive use of ALM/WLM in anyway....but if the > BLM slogan needs to be constantly explained, then > its not doing its job.

Because he has white privilege which he is insulted about because he doesn?t like the term or any terms Black people come up with and when asked by me to come up with another term, he couldn?t. Total white privilege abuse. Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No Cat, all you have done is post links to people > who display the undertones of feeling some threat > to their white identity because black people are > fighting for equality again. That is their issue > to deal with, not the problem of black people. > > I know this is a left wing platform, but every > point they make here is statistical fact. I know > that you agree that these disparities exist, so I > am genuinely baffled as to why you take such > exception to the slogan 'black lives matter'. > > https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/08/black-lives-don > t-matter-in-britain/

Exactly! And things like this https://www.facebook.com/1232692743483053/posts/3038244712927838/?vh=e should be taught in schools so that the next generation doesn?t adopt the same burying their heads in the sand as the current and previous generations tactic. JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I still think of the africa to west indies and > america slave trade as something completely > different due to the scale of it and the > inhumanity. I'd compare to genocides rather than > modern slavery - which we still should be tackling > - as a developed country we should be capable of > doing more than one thing at once.

https://www.facebook.com/1232692743483053/posts/3038244712927838/?vh=e

In that case, doctors, surgeons, nurses, dentists, vets etc would be dropping like flies every day since they wear masks and ?breathe in their own breaths?. Honestly, I despair. TE44 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bkah blah I know its an old study, I thought it > would be less likely to be related to conspiracy > as pre covid. It is the first time I have ever > seen that link so your assumptions of the sources > you believe I am following shows how easy it is to > believe when people differ from your own views it > is easier to group people together. I was actualky > speaking from a personal view and what I would > regard as common sense. If your inhalation is > restricted I believe that has an effect.

Quite disappointing with the low numbers of signatures :(

Signed!

Removed.

That is spot on! eastdulwichavenger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is the vibe I get from this thread

I give up. 🤦🏽‍♀️

You gaslight. You get offended at the word ?white privilege?. I ask you for another word to replace this word, you provide no solutions aside to indicate that you find the word offensive so I tell you racism is offensive too then I?m told I?m easily offended. Gaslighting. Provide solutions otherwise what is the point in this thread? It?s a minefield because of your refusal to be absolutely honest with yourself. TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > again. im not sure. > > but this need to be offended by any questioning of > the narrative is my entire point. ive just said > that i AGREE with the concept of what is called > white privilege...but i dont like the moniker. but > all most people see is a white man denying white > privilege....

Thank you! You understand. The Cat offers no solutions to anything but likes to express how his/her feelings isn?t considered whilst not considering others feelings and getting offended when we tell him/her that. And this is precisely why there is a book out called ?Why I?ve stopped talking to white people about race? most thankfully listen and take things on board but the ones like The Cat are a source of frustration as he/she literally doesn?t get it. I can?t make The Cat get it. eastdulwichavenger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely you can see the parallels between what > you're saying and the use of other derogatory > names for POC. By denying the word itself you are > using your privilege to fight against it, a > privilege that other people don't have to use > agaisnt names and terms that are much more > offensive and detrimentral. > 'White privilege' isn't a term that has come from > years of oppression, quite the opposite, in fact, > so instead of fighting against it, acknowledge it > and use your privilege to fight for others, > because by arguing against the word you're > highlighting your privilege.

Again, so what other term would you prefer? As goodness forbid the truth gets people?s backs up just like racism and inequality gets my back up. TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DulwichBorn&Bred Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > What term would ?you? prefer to be used to > address > > the advantage that a skin colour has over > others? > > > > > > TheCat Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > So for people that value language...how is > > 'white > > > privelige' a constructive term? I get the > > > concept....I know that I don't get pulled > over > > > when I drive to get bread....but why pick a > > term > > > that's clearly so divisive????.. > > I'm not sure. But as I said, I get the concept, > and I'm not denying it. But surely you can't > disagree that the term 'white privelige' just gets > people backs up, who might otherwise be > supportive......

What term would ?you? prefer to be used to address the advantage that a skin colour has over others? TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So for people that value language...how is 'white > privelige' a constructive term? I get the > concept....I know that I don't get pulled over > when I drive to get bread....but why pick a term > that's clearly so divisive????..

Really?! You do know you have to pay for piano lessons in school? You don?t get that free. I learnt the recorder for free for one year in school. That was my music lesson. The rest of the years in music lessons consisted of just singing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47485240 You appear to have a rose tinted view of the world. Denial isn?t just a river in Egypt.🙄 uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Lack of representative diversity is an issue in > > many sectors, often related to class boundaries > to > > be fair. Middle class children tend to have > better > > access to instruments and school orchestras. > > State schools have been providing instruments and > lessons in schools for decades.

Hi all From my son?s piano tutor. Could you please take a moment to sign and share my petition: http://chng.it/F6cdC7BV. I'm really conscious of the overwhelming number of white (male) composers on the ABRSM syllabus. The Musicians' Union have agreed to help with this campaign, and lots of other researchers in this area have contacted me over the last 24 hours, so fingers crossed something might actually come of it. In the meantime, if anyone's interested in learning more about black composers, here are some resources: BBC Radio 3: History of Black Classical Music - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000j2bt BBC Sounds: Celebrating Black Music - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000jnml Alternative Classical: 10 Contemporary Black Composers - https://www.alternativeclassical.co.uk/features/living-black-composers Classic FM: 9 Black Composers Who Changed the Course of Classical Music History - https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/black-composers-who-made-classical-music-history/ Chineke! Foundation - https://www.chineke.org/ AfriClassical - https://chevalierdesaintgeorges.homestead.com/History.html Thanks 🎹 Grace

My son?s piano teacher just shared this if you could please sign: Hi all Could you please take a moment to sign and share my petition: http://chng.it/F6cdC7BV. I'm really conscious of the overwhelming number of white (male) composers on the ABRSM syllabus. The Musicians' Union have agreed to help with this campaign, and lots of other researchers in this area have contacted me over the last 24 hours, so fingers crossed something might actually come of it. In the meantime, if anyone's interested in learning more about black composers, here are some resources: BBC Radio 3: History of Black Classical Music - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000j2bt BBC Sounds: Celebrating Black Music - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000jnml Alternative Classical: 10 Contemporary Black Composers - https://www.alternativeclassical.co.uk/features/living-black-composers Classic FM: 9 Black Composers Who Changed the Course of Classical Music History - https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/black-composers-who-made-classical-music-history/ Chineke! Foundation - https://www.chineke.org/ AfriClassical - https://chevalierdesaintgeorges.homestead.com/History.html Thanks 🎹 Grace

Yes, I put his Facebook link at the beginning but thanks for clarifying. ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For the avoidance of doubt or confusion, > DulwichBorn&Bred's post of 10:43 is simply a > pasted copy of a Facebook page of Kunaal Hathi. I > see he's a provisonally registered doctor, which > means, if I've understood my reading correctly, > that he graduated this year from medical school, > and that graduation was probably brought forward > in time because of COVID. Normally the next stage > in the arduous training process would be to start > in post as a Foundation Year 1 junior doctor in > August or September. Instead he's accepted the > newly introduced invitations to register > provisionally for a pre-Foundation year 1 > position, again presumably a COVID measure. And > so, rather than taking a well-earned > post-qualification break, he's been immersed in > all the pressure and pain of a COVID ward. All > thanks and plaudits to him for that. > > There are a number of aspects of his post that I > take serious issue with, but I'll leave it at > that.

At the end of the day, there is never a good time to protest or the right way to protest but it was needed as the world is watching. Enough is enough.

https://www.facebook.com/618074275/posts/10159064199264276/?d=n As a doctor who has worked in covid wards for the last 3 months - I support these protests and the BLM movement wholeheartedly. Anyone who works for the NHS should do the same. I am sick to death of people who don?t even work for the NHS using us as a reason to disagree with the protest. No. Don?t you dare. ?Think of the NHS workers? is not your get out of jail free card to express your deep rooted racism. And yes, protesting and mass gatherings are not ideal during a pandemic. But this cannot wait. It has already gone on long enough. The racism, hardships and countless deaths that black people have faced have gone on far longer than covid - and if you are using the virus as an excuse to rebuke the protesters and the BLM movement, you are part of the problem. Black people are 4 times more likely to die from covid. They know this. You know this. Yet they are still willing to risk their lives and go out and protest. Have you even bothered to think about why? It is because they know that racism is far more deadly than covid. And it?s about time you realised the same. Where was your outrage when people were flocking to beaches to tan? Where was your outrage when people had VE Day parties and didn?t social distance? No one will blame these events for a second wave - which was already coming before this protest. These protesters wore face masks and social distanced the best they could but that is not enough. Some of you would rather see them stay at home. Some of you have forgotten your outrage at the murder of George Floyd already and have now focused your outrage on black people again. And you don?t even see that as a problem. This is how deep rooted your (and my) privilege is. And it needs to stop now. Edited to state that the above are not my words, the link to the doctor is included at the top of this post.

https://www.facebook.com/814966608530843/posts/3532354170125393/?vh=e

A Trump Supporter! Hilarious! No one made him a hero so get it right. uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The voice of reason > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74