Earl Aelfheah

The system with the pool is really good. They've done an excellent job imo.

The two views seem to be: 1. Those who really want to be able to drive without hindrance 2. Those who want to make it easier to walk and cycle and more difficult to use ones car. The main disagreement is whether attempts to achieve this with filtering traffic on certain roads, leads to better or worse outcomes in general, when it comes to health, the environment, quality of life etc. Reasonable people may take different views on this, as clearly there are knock on impacts. But if you agree with aim 2. , but not the approach to trying to attain it, then it would be interesting to hear alternatives suggestions. I haven't really heard however, anyone explaining how the first approach (sticking with the status quo) can possibly make anything better.

mikeb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've only dipped into this every so often because > the thread goes round in circles. > > It seems to be polarised between two groups who > just aren't going to agree. > 1. those who want a return to pre-closure state, > who can't see anything wrong with the traffic as > it was before, including when it involves passing > and queueing at many many primary and secondary > schools > 2. those for whom the current changes are only the > start of a new paradigm whereby pretty much no-one > ever drives > > Does anyone have any real ideas how to reconcile > these two groups, both of which seem to me to be > unrealistic? I don't recognise the second group you describe, except in the caricatures of those against LTNs. No one is arguing that no one should ever drive. They are suggesting that we need to reduce the number of car journeys and make it safer and easier for people to also use other modes of transport when they can.

Same here Sanda. And we take the kids to clubs at Dulwich Sport's Centre at weekends and now cycle, as do many others. There are definitely signs that the LTNs are encouraging some (who can) to ditch the car for certain journeys.

Not another thread please.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If they can and really want to they will. At the > moment there are other things to consider. There > has to be balance. You think the roads aren?t currently balanced towards driving? Really

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thing is, if you could get enough people together > you could just go and get a load of Lime or Jump > bikes from Central London and distribute around ED > and Peckham. They're dockless after all. You get fined if you park them outside the zone

Sorry, I meant Lime / Boris similar (I.e. some type of hire bike scheme). sE London is notably underserved compared to the rest of the Capital, as it is with most other forms of public transport

Any chance of locking it down to just one thread in the changes to roads (Permeable filters) in and around Dulwich? The discussion of this topic, interesting as it is, is now taking place over several.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Great. People who are able may well continue and > more who are genuinely able to cycle everywhere > may well start, however, for now, I am in favour > of overturning street closures. You don?t want to encourage those who are able to cycle to do so?

Ginster Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ambulance again. Must have taken ages to get thro This shows three vehicles waiting at a red light/ pedestrian crossing

A lot more people cycling their kids to gymnastics in the Village. I?ve heard several comments along the lines of ?decided to cycle as it?s so much easier now?. I know it?s only anecdote and many will swear it?s made up, but it is what I?ve heard (including from one of the helpers there who also commented on how many more people cycling). Anyway, these are the types of changes in behaviour that take a little time but start feeding through.

Another thread? Really?

e-bikes like Lime are particularly good, because they can be used regardless of fitness level. A segregated bike lane and local e-bike hire scheme would create a lot more opportunity for people to connect to trains and tubes easily, cheaply and quickly.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > would also make it super easy to get to Herne > Hill > > for Thameslink services. > > > > If people could hop on a hire bike and leave it > at > > the station, it may also have a positive impact > on > > car congestion along EDG > > Sadly, seems bike theft is on the rise and making > all day parking at station secure enough possibly > not realistic, also only limited space outside. > People can use folders though and take them into > work. this is why a hire bike scheme like Lime or Santander would be great (you don't have to worry about your bike being nicked). They have them in nearly every other part of the Capital, except Southwark, where they only operate in the north of the borough.

would also make it super easy to get to Herne Hill for Thameslink services. If people could hop on a hire bike and leave it at the station, it may also have a positive impact on car congestion along EDG

eastdulwichhenry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dulwichfolk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Sounds a great idea. > > > > But EDG is very narrow even more so than most > of > > the roads closed so where exactly would there > be > > space for the cycle lane? > > True, perhaps it's not as easy as I thought. The > first part of the route can travel down the backs > of the houses on Deventer Crescent, but the > section past the health centre and is indeed > narrow. It does seem like a through route could be > provided inside the Charter School and Tessa > Jowell health centre grounds, but I suppose the > plans for the development of those sites are too > far advanced to modify for public cycle lanes! There is room West of the Townley Road Junction. This would create a link with the Railton Road LTN and the tube at Brixton. Would make a massive difference to (especially if Southwark could work with hire bike companies such as Lime to bring them to ED).

Remember what it was like before: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1305975194440413184.html

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Denise Johnson, Manchester Soul... > > Great tune 👌

mancity68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not ED, but I was delighted to see a seal in the > Thames between Tower Bridge and HMS Belfast today. > Bobbing around eating eels. Wow, do they often come up the river that far?

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would love to know what are the success (and > perhaps more importantly the failure) criteria for > this traffic experiment. Of course, we never will > know, and indeed I'd be prepared to bet that none > have yet (perhaps will ever) be set. > > There will be no way, for instance, based on the > timing, to differentiate reduction in pollution > because of the Ulez, and because of this - each > will no doubt claim 100% of any success in that > area. But I doubt whether a figure has even been > set for a forecast outcome. Probably of either. > > And indeed - what base-lines will be being used? > > And, based on Southwark's very fast and loose > attitude to statistics and measurement - why would > we ever believe a word they said? This is a big problem.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Boris Johnson savaged by Ed Milliband in HoC > > debate, he won't even make it to Christmas at > this > > rate... > > That was so enjoyable to watch. Waffle outsmarted > by facts. I wonder how his demise will unfold? They'll keep him on for a while yet. When the brexshambles really unfolds, they'll need him as a fall guy. I give him until next summer, maybe a little longer.

It's good to hear that a special exemption is being granted to people hunting with guns. They can meet in groups up to 30. 😒

The ULEZ next year, should also help air pollution generally, and may even reduce the amount of traffic on main roads.