Earl Aelfheah

This explains the situation. https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/residents-want-answers-future-dulwichs-old-grove-tavern/ It will eventually be turned in to loads of cheaply built, extremely expensive flats I would imagine.

Barnard castle?

It's the usual developer tactic of buying a place which doesn't have planning permission for residential and then leaving it derelict until the council wave through a change of use application. What should happen, is that they should be made to maintain it or face compulsory purchase. Instead, the council crumble and give them what they want just so they don't have to live with an eye sore.

That is quite incredible. Who the hell keeps a cockerel in a residential area of London? Surely it must be driving the owners batty themselves?!

I was surprised at how many people weren't wearing masks at the Sainsbury's Local the other day. It's a shame as I suspect as time goes on and people see others not bothering, the numbers will increase. Appreciate that some people will have a valid reason, but out of only around 10 peeps in the store at the time, there were 3 or 4 without one.

It would be a shame if it was turned into more flats, rather than kept as a social club / community centre of some kind.

Signed. You've done a great job, it's appreciated.

That's a shame about Tart. I would have thought they could do a good lunch takeaway service with so many home worker, but obviously not. Does anyone know if Oliver Bonas is going to reopen?

Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There has been plenty of complaints over the > pedestrian crossing at the base of Calton Avenue > and the danger to anyone using it, going back to > the day it was unveiled. And it cost over half a > million to make it so unusable we now have this > version. people have been injured there in > accidents, and who takes any notice? No one. I'm not defending the previous changes to that junction, they were poorly thought out and didn't help the situation. That said, it was pretty hard work to cross there before then. The new scheme adds a little time to people driving that way, but removes it for people walking (and also makes it much safer).

jane21 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hello Rahrahrah, it took 20 minutes for me to > travel from pickwick to Woodwarde road with > ladders; I am a local business and it is making > life difficult. It will be far worse in early > september. That does seem like a long time. Waze suggests that it should be less than 10 minutes to do that journey, even in rush hour. Perhaps you were unlucky.

The point is that if someone really needs to use their car, this isn't going to stop them. If they're making a short local journey (the type that in many cases could be done by foot or by bike and of which there are a lot), then a few extra minutes may discourage them from hopping in the car.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And please, do not give me the "it's only a few > minutes extra travel time" as that totally > undermines your stated premise that these closures > are to reduce pollution - what you are saying is > utterly counter-intuitive. It takes cars a little longer and discourages them from cutting through Court Lane or Calton Avenue, whilst making it a little easier, quicker and safer for people walking / cycling to navigate what was previously a challenging junction. The intention is to encourage walking and cycling. The fact that it adds a few minutes to local car journeys also encourages people to think about whether they might walk instead, where it's relatively easy to do so (not for every journey, all the time). How many extra minutes do you think it's added to an average car journey, from Townley Road to Dulwich Village, or Court Lane to the South Circular?

What's more, 'One Dulwich' are arguing to keep restrictions in place during busy times anyway, so it's really only the shorter delays at quiet times that they're objecting to. Less than a few minutes?

How much longer do people honestly think the changes add to an average journey? According to Waze, the longest it takes to get from Townley Road to Dulwich Village (at 17:30), is 5 minutes. In total. it would have taken a few using Calton Avenue previously. Is this really what people are getting upset about? An additional 2 minutes?

A bit of a reality check here. The only change is that from Court Lane or Calton avenue, you have to go round. It's a few more minutes. South circular is often snarled up, that's nothing to do with these changes.

Court lane to dulwich village takes around 6 mins in the car (according to google), yet people denying that the diversion only adds a few minutes at most. How quick was the journey before? The changes are not stopping anyone making essential journeys. Previously it could take several minutes to negotiate the junction as a pedestrian trying to get across from calton avenue, especially if you had mobility issues, or were with young children. Why was no one worrying about the impact on elderly people travelling on foot? The reality is that people don't like having a few minutes added to local car journeys, to make it easier for people to get about by foot or by bike, whilst claiming that they're in favour of reducing car usage.

Getting to LB is pretty easy on the train or by bike.

I think it is clear that Meadow are completely unscrupulous and untrustworthy and also pretty good at getting what they want. It's not a case of anyone doubting the motives of those running the club. I think the fear is that despite the best intentions of the club and the Council, Meadow will continue to out manoeuvre them in future. This may well be unfounded (I hope so). I don't know whether or not it would have been possible, but I would have liked to see the Council push ahead with compulsory purchase. As long as Meadow are in the picture, people are unlikely to feel reassured - and it's not a sign that they don't support the team.

Orange owl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As someone who has lived here a while and can > remember Sainsburys been built,I just can?t > believe anything the club/meadows says about the > future of the green dale area. In a few years the > goalposts will just be moved again,I > love the club and hope it stays but not at any > cost This is exactly my feeling on it. I hope I am wrong.

spider69 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would not call it a major town centre any more > more of a street selling cheap rubbish. It's used by many people and perhaps pedestrianisation may help it broaden it's appeal and encourage a greater mix of shops.

It's a major 'town centre' and so it makes sense to pedestrianise (most provincial town centres were pedestrianised back in the 80s).

I agree with you Fox, it seems strange. I think it's fair to say that the government stopped 'following the science' some time ago. Fingers crossed that their gamble will pay off and we don't end up back in lockdown (as has happened in Barcelona).

The Walworth scheme is great. Actually a much more strategic intervention. Will make a big difference not just locally, but to those Cycling into central London from south of the borough.

I really don't think this is about class war. We do need to reduce the number of car journeys and encourage active travel as much as possible if we're going to tackle, pollution, obesity and generally improve the environment for people and businesses.

ED Bird Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Elusive Shadow Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Hope it'll be recreated > > > I heard the artist does plan to return with the > stencil to recreate it. > > I didn't think much of this wall art to begin > with. I'd prefer to see more by Atila... or the > artist who did the Kingfisher! I hope so, I liked the corgis too.