Earl Aelfheah

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, traffic in this part of London is terrible, > isn't it? Something ought to be done about it. If we just allow cars to dominate every single street, The problem of road deaths, obesity, pollution and congestion will probably fix themselves.

slarti b Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I haven't got time to look through it right now, > so can't tell you whether or not it shows an > increase. > > Rahrah.. I was thinking of the TfL data for > London which shows a reduction in "Private > Transport" trips (Car\taxi\motor bike) between > 2000 and 2018 of 9% in absolute terms and from 48% > to 37% in mode share. So completely opposite to > the 36% increase you mention for the whole of UK. > > > You link to the DoT data of traffic flow (ie > vehicle Km's) by borough. For Southwark, this > shows an even bigger reduction of 20% in traffic > flow between 2000 and 2018. > > So, both the TfL data for London and the DoT data > for Southwark are showing absolute and relative > decreases in car traffic. > Please stop scaremongering with irrelevant and > misleading statistics. Not meaning to scaremonger. I linked to the details you shared above. It?s good that traffic flows are improving. Could be linked to significant increase in cycling, congestion charge etc. Will be interesting g to see what difference these latest changes make if given enough time to bed in. It is also true that car ownership in the UK is increasing btw. Not a sustainable trend. Hopefully London can continue to lead the way.

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To Raharah, re "registered vehicles" > > You've cherry picked one of the worst recessions > ever as your starting point and compared it with > four years where the economy is booming. > > Is no wonder your campaign just doesn't wash with > people outside your lobby when you use such one > sided data It was what a quick google turned up. I?m not actually part of any campaign or ?lobby?. Just a local resident who would prefer low traffic neighbourhoods.

@slartiB - Probably some good data here: https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/traffic-flows-borough I haven't got time to look through it right now, so can't tell you whether or not it shows an increase.

There is this: http://content.tfl.gov.uk/technical-note-12-how-many-cars-are-there-in-london.pdf Suggests that car ownership has slightly dropped in London. Of course, much of the traffic doesn't necessarily originate in London (i.e. people driving in).

Registered vehicles on UK roads: 1991: 20 million 2007: 27 million 2016: 37 million 2020: 38.3 million (2022: 40 million)

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/road-traf > fic-estimates-in-great-britain-2019 > > DfT stats out today for traffic. > Included in there is a stat that residential areas > have seen a 36.4% increase in traffic since the > 1990s. Could it just possibly be that congestion is caused ? and air pollution is made worse ? not by cycleways, or opening streets to pedestrians, but by too many motor vehicles?!

Just a reminder of how bad EDG was before

Out of interest, where do people think the traffic on east dulwich Grove x lordship lane would go if Calton Avenue was reopened?surely it would still end up on EDG or LL?

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ex - depends on who you speak to!!! It's either > nirvana or armageddon and nothing in between! ;-) It?s neither. There has been some displacement of traffic and a few Rush hour hotspots that need to be mitigated. But neither is there the carmaggedon that some are claiming. I do think people are forgetting what things were like pre- lockdown too. It was not uncommon for there to be significant congestion running up to the south circular for example. It?s all got to be set against the benefits / improvements in certain areas too.

Why would closing a street to motor traffic reduce footfall? Anyway, I hope business picks up, I wish you the best.

I'm fairly sure that businesses on Melbourne Grove will do better without the traffic.

I wish I could make traffic disappear, although I suspect there would be a lot of opposition to it.

It's pretty clear to me that there is not the widespread gridlock some people are claiming. There are high levels of traffic during rush hour, but it was always so. I do wonder whether the temporary respite caused by the lockdown has led people to forget what the roads were like before.

Here is what? Do you mean his encouraging people to try and vote twice?

I always liked Tony Hart 😂

@bicknell - I have noticed an increase in traffic on Townley (I think I commented on this earlier in the thread). It was quiet at 5 today, but I accept that might not be the case at other times.

@Rockets - I posted a few photos from each spot. I haven?t faked, edited or ?selected? to fit a narrative. At the end of the day you can?t take photos showing no cars where there is back to back gridlock. I know we?re in an era of alternative facts, but ultimately there is an objective, observable reality, whether it?s convenient or not.

Take a walk yourself. Either there is back to back gridlocked traffic or there isn?t. I have been straight forward, I?m not putting time stamps on my photos, just get of your sofa and go have a look. There are two spots where traffic was heavy as described. The worst congestion is definitely heading south from the library. Whether this is worse than before or not people may disagree, but to my mind this was always a hotspot during rush hour.

Also worth noting that Court Lane and Calton Avenue (previously both with a lot of standing traffic at rush hour) were unsurprisingly, empty.

Other than these two spots (bare in mind that this is rush hour), I saw very little evidence of the 'TRAFFIC CHAOS!!!' people have suggested. My advice would be go and take a walk yourself. Both at rush hour and other times of day.

Second hotspot - Lordship Lane heading south form the library, towards the South Circular. The South Circular itself was not 'that' busy considering it's rush hour. This bit of road has always been pretty chocker during rush hour, although I'm sure others will disagree.

Surprisingly little traffic on EDG itself suggesting the phasing of these lights is not great. The rest of the Village remarkably quiet

Notable 'hotspots' - heading north through the village between the little row of shops / Dulwich Hamlet school and the traffic lights at the junction with EDG

All these pics were taken between 5 and 5:30