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Anyone know whether the Lime bikes are going to be extended to ED? The parking zone currently stops at Camberwell.

I would still like to know what the aim of the CPZ is. If it's to encourage more 'active travel' and to reduce car usage, then perhaps pedestrianisation and segregated cycle lanes would be a more appropriate response. If it's just about making it easier / more convenient to own a car, then the council should probably be honest about it.

... so absolutely no point in clarifying if this deal is actually what people want.

Apparently everyone who voted 'leave' knew exactly what they were voting for. And it was definitely the deal only agreed upon yesterday and which hardly anyone has actually read in it's entirety. Unless you're a Faragist in which case it is not brexit. But every single 'leave' voter, knew exactly what they were voting for and it was definitely the same thing... which may change massively by the end of the transition period, several years from now.

This thread was about what stores you would like to see on Lordship Lane, not what stores do you like in Peckham.

I would like to see a good burger place offering take outs tbh. Some competition for GBK

Ridgley Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Milan05 > > A great lingerie shop with a good fitting room and > range. > > Good idea I use to love the lingerie shop in > Peckham. There is one up by the Lordship Pub I think.

MJRealDavies Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm all for it. Sick to death of driving around > for 20 minutes looking for a space everytime i > come home. There are more cars than spaces on most streets, especially on those where houses have been split into flats, or there are blocks of flats. A CPZ may make it a little easier to park, but not much and you'll be paying for the privilege of driving around looking for a space. It will also make it a lot more inconvenient to visit others, or have then visit you in the car / deliveries/ builders etc.

The accusation of hypocrisy is so easy to level against those living in a system that is fundamentally at odds with the environment. But the ER crowd are demanding systematic change. There is a limit to what individuals can achieve alone - it requires collective action by governments / large corporations. To say, you can't have a view, or ask for change until you are 100% carbon neutral yourself and are doing nothing that contributes to mass extinction and environmental degradation is simply nihilism. To suggest that those who live in affluent countries or are privileged shouldn't be able to have a view, is the same. If you have privilege it is more incumbent on you to use the power which comes with that privileged to try and improve things. It's easy to dismiss people as 'crusties' and 'hippies', but when the sh*t hits the fan, your kids aren't going to applaud you for being cynical.

Misleading subject title.

Monkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Welcome to the Forum Abi1. > > I don?t want Southwark schools for Southwark > children. I don't really see what's wrong with having children attend their local / neighbourhood school. The illusion of choice and the complicated system that surrounds it, doesn't really help anyone. There's a lot to be said for simply offering kids a place at the school that is closest to them. The neighbourhood could then work together / focus their efforts on supporting that school to be the best it can be, rather than on navigating the system.

@edbloke I completely agree with you. It cannot be beyond the ability of Southwark to collate and publish such info.

Personally, I don't have a problem with chains per se. As long as they are not completely crowding out new start ups (which I don't think they are locally) and they have a good offer, then I don't see the problem. The issue of ever increasing rents does need to be addressed however. The real problem is the number of shops-to-flats conversions which took place in the past, which have reduced the supply of shop space. All those previous shops on North Cross / Upland Road would probably be quite attractive now and the increase in retail space may have helped keep rents down.

fishbiscuits Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I doubt you'll find any hard border between urban > and suburban London. But East Dulwich feels pretty > suburban to me, in that it's pretty much entirely > residential - with businesses only really > servicing the local population. If it's not, then > it sure as hell isn't far off. Ed is definitely suburban.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not so carbon-nuetral Greta then > https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9739595/greta-thunbe > rgs-carbon-free-yacht-trip-flights/ > > and where do they get all that red fabric from? > > This hypocrisy is exactly why I cancelled my subs > to Friends of the Earth when I found out that > Jonathon Porritt was flying around the world.... It's ridiculous to think that one cannot call for systematic change, whilst being part of the existing system. This amounts in practice to simple nihilism.

What annoys me about the whole thing is the pretence that it's about encouraging 'healthy streets' and 'active travel' It is not. It's about appeasing residents who want to keep a car outside their house. How about closing some streets to traffic, giving space over to bikes and put real effort into lobbying for public transport improvements in the borough.

King Krule talking East Dulwich

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This doesn't even make driving more difficult! The > whole point of it is to make driving easier. The > people that wanted this CPZ the most were those > who get in their car every morning, pop out for a > little drive and then find a commuter in 'their' > parking spot when they get home. > > These people want to be able to drive to wherever > they are going (presumably parking somewhere?) and > still have their parking space once they've driven > home. And the CPZ enables and makes those journeys > a lot esaier... This is very true. It does likely encourage short local car journeys.

It's all good and well making driving more difficult, but this needs to be met with equal efforts to make alternatives easier / more attractive. Public transport in this part of town is terrible (at least compared to the rest of Inner London). Cycling infrastructure is improving massively, especially in the centre of town, but is still pretty weak locally. If Southwark are serious about creating 'healthy streets', they would have a massive programme of pedestrianisation, build segregated cycle lanes and lobby hard for improvements to the suburban train services in SE London and to extend high frequency urban transport / the tube.

@Rollflick - thanks for that great response - really informative. It is a shame that Southwark / TFL can't at the very least sort out the Kelly Avenue x Lyndhurst Way junction. It's pretty dangerous.

It will never end........

mary123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't mind KFC although would want that site to > be replaced by a pub or restaurant instead, my > concerns if it's a drive through then it will > increase build up of traffic to that already busy > junction. This ^. The traffic there is a nightmare already. A drive through is unlikely to help matters.

Also, does anyone have any sense of the timescale for this? The website says it'll be subject to consultation. Has this happened already?

The Southwark Spine gets mentioned in a few threads, but doesn't seem to have it's own. So I'm creating one. I have looked at the documents on Southwark Council website, but I can't quite work out what's proposed. The real pain points for me on this route are the crossing from Kelly Avenue to Lyndhurst Way, Lyndhurst Way generally (in that it's in terrible conditions and cars tend to cut in front of bikes at the traffic islands) and Crystal Palace Road. The latter is probably the road where I have encountered the most issues anywhere on my commute, with cars passing for too close or getting frustrated because there isn't enough room to pass when they want to. I can see that the Kelly Ave / Lyndhurst Way crossing is earmarked for 'improvement' but can't work out what this actually entails in practice. Crystal Palace Road seems to be subject to 'traffic calming', but again, I can't find the detail. The only new segregated bit of route I can see in Flint Street. Is this actually new, or just the existing bit past the dangerous 'bike crossing next to a zebra crossing but with no obvious indication of who has right of way' section? Is Thurlow Road going to get a segregated cycle lane (and if not, why? It's plenty wide enough). Any help interpreting any of this would be appreciated.

Thanks Abe, just looked at that. Some of it looks great, some of it is vague. A better crossing between Kelly Avenue and Lyndhurst Way will be great (although I guess it depends on how they actually configure this). Also great to see segregated cycle lane on Flint Street. Crystal Palace Road is a problem though. It is narrow and cars have only a few points where they can safely overtake bike. Unfortunately some drivers get very frustrated and make close passes, or worse, misjudge their overtake into oncoming traffic and realising there isn't room, pull back in against cyclists. I hate cycling up this road from Goose Green. Anyway, off topic. As you were.