I don't agree that Labour is particularly dogmatic. This is a criticism which is constantly leveled at 'the left', but actually there are many more ideologues on the right, who would happily privatise everything, regardless of outcomes or evidence. The Conservatives have often ignored evidence when it comes to public policy, in areas such as drugs policy, criminal justice, housing, education and many others - look at their policy on grammars for example. Labour have always called for a mixed economy and the last Labour government did a lot (not always successfully) to bring the private sector in to delivering public services. As Jeremy (ED Jerermy, not Corbyn) said earlier in the thread, it should always be about what produces the best outcomes and the best value for money. The level of debate has become so, so poor recently and a lot of it is the influence of the media which really has cheapened the political discourse in this country. The reason we have glib soundbites ('brexit means brexit') and spin doctors, is because politicians are placed in a total straight jacket by reporters. Journalists have an essential role to play in a health democracy, holding politicians to account, but it certainly feels to me that there is something quite dysfunctional going on at the moment, in politics and in the media.