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Farage (predictably) is jumping on the anti bike lane / anti low traffic neighbourhoods ticket.

Helping cars to use side streets as a 'cut through' to shave a few minutes off their journey, is not going to discourage short car journeys.

So assuming 'one dulwich' get their way, and we allow people to cut down side streets again in order to save a little time - can someone explain how this will discourage short car journeys and encourage walking and cycling please?

So assuming 'one dulwich' get their way, and we allow people to cut down side streets again in order to save a little time - can someone explain how this will discourage short car journeys and encourage walking and cycling please?

Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah > > Actually walking along Court Lane or Woodwarde > > Road in the dark is not very pleasant when > there > > is no passing traffic. Too quiet and just the > > kind of place for a person to hang about and > see > > what they can steal off a passer by. Hardly > > Beirut but that is not what Abe meant." > > You quoted me. I am nowhere near alone in feeling > it is more threatening for older people to walk on > closed roads. So encouraging more traffic is a safety issue?

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I don't believe the council is talking about > > eliminating private cars. No one is sensibly > > suggesting this. > > > > We probably do need fewer cars on our streets > > however and also fewer people driving short > trips. > > I'm not sure how anyone could really think that > > would be a bad thing to achieve. > > > The council has stated its aim is to reduce car > usage by 50%. So how is that 'eliminating private cars'?

Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Gosh yes - without a steady stream of Uber > Priuses > > driving along Dulwich Village it might quite > > quickly turn into 1980s Beirut. > > Actually walking along Court Lane or Woodwarde > Road in the dark is not very pleasant when there > is no passing traffic. Too quiet and just the > kind of place for a person to hang about and see > what they can steal off a passer by. Hardly > Beirut but that is not what Abe meant. So the (alledged) displaced traffic is making main roads safer now?

I don't believe the council is talking about eliminating private cars. No one is sensibly suggesting this. We probably do need fewer cars on our streets however and also fewer people driving short trips. I'm not sure how anyone could really think that would be a bad thing to achieve.

I'm pro reducing the number of cars, regardless of pollution (I'm very much in favour of reducing pollution too of course). I'm not sure why anyone would not be. Fewer cars means fewer casualties, more space for people to walk, play, shop, drink, eat, etc. If you replaced all cars with eclectic, it would be an improvement. But at the same time, if you could reduce the number of cars (and preferably the exponential growth in their size) that would be even better.

Anyone know why we have a helicopter circling for the second evening running?

Thanks for posting this. Love the idea of a replant tree

Great to see new businesses starting up on the Lane. Good luck. I will come try it out soon.

The 'social justice' argument, is being massively over played by those against low traffic neighbourhoods. The least affluent are much less likely to own a car and to rely on walking or cycling. The idea that the denizens of Dulwich should be able to drive their SUVs through every side street as a way of 'protecting' the less affluent, rings pretty hollow to me. I can't help feeling that in the majority of cases, those who are against creating some spaces where cars dominate a little less, are mainly concerned about the personal inconvenience of not being able to drive where they like.

Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The pro groups are tweeting like mad with not even > a passing thought for the many sad stories being > reported of people not able to get to daily chemo, > blue badge holders not able to get to doctors and > hospitals - unless even though they are unwell or > actually very, very ill, having to sit in a > displaced traffic jam to get where they need to > get. Incidentally some of these pro groups don't > allow you to post on their twitter feeds, thereby > blocking any feedback (for them, read negativity > and and for us, reality) that might be pertinent. It's not that people don't care about 'sad stories', it's just that it clearly is possible to drive places. The idea that the roads are no longer usable because of a few LTNs is objectively absurd.

We need to give more space to cars

There is plenty of evidence of pro car groups campaigning against local initiatives from outside the area. I'm sure there is probably the same thing happening on the other side too (those in favour of low traffic neighbourhoods). The council should assess the reality and do what in their judgement is best for the area. I am pretty suspicious of online petitions tbh as you can find one arguing for almost any position nowadays and it shouldn't be about how shout loudest.

Give and take

Oh good. You?ve started another thread 🤦‍♂️

This is worth a listen... what is a city for? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000nv3z

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not a fan of extending the cc, it's a very blunt > instrument. We should have progressed with road > charging, something that comes up from time to > time but politically a very hot potato. The > fairest system, where you get charged for when you > drive and where you drive. But as an occasional > driver disappointed with successive governments > for not putting up fuel duty, the unholy alliance > of hauliers and farmers in 2000 put back the > environmental cause so much. > > Before you all dissolve into a puddle with rage > check out this article which gives you a great > perspective on road pricing. If we want to play > our part in tackling climate change we have to get > over this concept that we are entitled to drive > what we like, when we like, how we like and where > we like. > https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/road-pricing > > As an occasional user of public transport I'm > happy to subsidise the masses. Yeah agree with this. a more sophisticated road pricing system would be good (one which takes account of time of day, where you are driving, the type of vehicle etc.

@bonaome Just noticed that you mention mesh router above. Do they just boost the signal, or actually increase speed? My signal is pretty strong around the house, so I don't seem to have a problem with dead spots as such. But I dunno, not sure how it works?

I mean he may he lives in his head, but he also, in a very real literal sense, lives in that house. Fair play, it's an incredible piece of work, but a challenging home one would imagine.

My internet is appalling (EE). Someone has suggested I get a 'Mesh Router'. They're a couple of hundred pounds, but she swears it has made a huge difference. I have no idea how this works, but do any of the technically minded on the forum, know how likely it might be to make a difference? Am I better just trying another provider? What I can't work out is how much of it is down to just the same physical infrastucture that all the providers use locally, how much the ISP, how much the router and what's down to my PC / hardware? What makes the difference? Thanks

I?m just taking Rockets figures as read. That seems like a high percentage to me, but maybe 🤷‍♂️

Sorry, cross posted. 3 miles in a bike is very little. Not everyone will be able to do that and even some very short journeys clearly need a car if you?re carrying large objects etc. But some of those journeys (67%!), must be able to be changed. Under 3 miles you?re looking at 10 - 15 minutes