WorkingMummy

Yes - I am in favour of a new progressive alliance. And stopping the Education for All Bill

Unfortunately apples to Britons in Germany. Nothing like that has been said by any main player here.

"wrong belief that everyone is going to be deported". Yesterday, May confirmed that the status of EU citizens in this country is not guaranteed and it is one of the things that will need to be negotiated.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Disappears for a few months. Joins Conservative > party. Stands for election in a safe Tory seat at > next election. Wins, enters parliament, joins top > team. > F_<?!!!!

It's not the person of Farage I have a problem with. It's the whole ideology and movement he stands for. If they replace him with a less appealing (to your inner racist), beer guzzling, totally-faked-common-touch figure, then maybe I could care. Otherwise, meh.

To anyone really "feeling it" - the shock and dislocation of last week, you are not alone. Many feel it with you. https://www.theguardian.com/global/2016/jul/01/susie-orbach-in-therapy-everyone-wants-to-talk-about-brexit

It is important to understand what the strike (which yes, was called for by over 90% of those who voted) is for. It is a last ditch protest against the Education For All Bill, directed at a government which ISN'T LISTENING. A good place to start to read about the Bill is here: https://www.teachers.org.uk/campaigns/white-paper Enough is enough! I have three children in state education and my family is affected by this strike. But i question who in their right mind would be standing with this Tory government against the people who actually devote their working week to teaching and caring for our young children. Support our teachers. Save your anger for the government.

It is important to understand what the strike (which yes, was called for by over 90% of those who voted) is for. It is a last ditch protest against the Education Bill, directed at a government which ISN'T LISTENING. A good place to start to read about the Bill is here: https://www.teachers.org.uk/campaigns/white-paper Enough is enough! I have three children in state education and my family is affected by this strike. But i question who in their right mind would be standing with this Tory government against the people who actually devote their working week to teaching and caring for our young children. Support our teachers. Save your anger for the government.

All remainers and all Regrexiteers and all people appalled by the disintegration of our political life should join the lib Dems, who absolutely cannot be blamed and are the only parliamentary party (bar Snp) unified in a commitment to stay. I have always left politics to other people. Now I really feel I can't. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/30/lib-dems-brexit-general-election-eu-referendum-remain?CMP=share_btn_fb

Please would everybody join the Lib Dems and campaign to stop this woman? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-immigration-eu-citizens-theresa-may-uk-a7116971.html%3famp?client=safari#

Depressing: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-immigration-eu-citizens-theresa-may-uk-a7116971.html%3famp?client=safari#

Blooming heck I only just looked at the fees for citizenship. It is much cheaper to renounce your British citizenship, I see. Part of me would quite like to press that button right now. I really, really don't want to lose my EU citizenship, which I will need if my ex has to move back to Europe with his job, or the children all "migrate" back to his country of birth when they are grown. It makes me so sad and angry. We were told that we were European, growing up - told to tear down borders. And we did. Some of us committed to making the idea of the "European family" the reality of our lives.

https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-a-formal-apology-for-david-cameron-s-statement-about-migration?recruiter=564447119&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-no_src-no_msg&fb_ref=Default

THAT - is exactly the right word Midivydale. I am currently going backwards into another stage of shock and.... it is hard to function while everyone else who isn't really affected by it is (you know, falling pound, all that, on a graph, bit remote) debating the relative merits of what different politicians - ALL of whom are responsible for getting us into this mess.

sb, yes - same boat. I am really worried that this is not being talked about. The news (and the Lounge) is all about party politics now. When i am still walking around in a daze, going ???? how can anyone be thinking of anything else. People casually say that Brexit will take years and nothing will happen for months, like that's a good thing. Of douse i do not want it to happen tomorrow. But on the other hand I cannot walk around for years with this level of uncertainty. We are looking at citizenship options but frankly - that feels worse. It's like, suddenly members of my own family need to qualify just for our family to continue. People who are not in our boat talk about citizenship like it was just forms. Its not. Its like feeling you have to...make yourself good enough for this country some how. We have to speak out more about this. Publicly. The politicians have highjacked the debate and are talking nonsense (i.e. about themselves and who is whose leader!!) and ignoring the real issues. Like they did before the vote. It's terrible. I have some resources that enable families in this position to make their voices heard, but i will pm you about that. Anyone please pm me if you want access to these.

Blah Blah, the problem with the idea that Brexit will just go away, and that racism will recede is 1) clearly anti migrant sentiment was always there, it's just more visible now. It won't go. It may go slightly more underground 2) for families like mine whose way of life depends on free movement of persons between EU states, whose children eohld never have been born without that possibility, whose family cohesion depends on that possibility remaining, the idea of just waiting.... We have years and years of uncertainty.

The NUT will strike next week. Affected schools will be closed on Tuesday. Please contact your MP to voice your support for this important action, designed to help bring the nation's attention back to the real problems facing our children, which (in the words of Harriet Harman), "Are the responsibility of this Government, and not the fault of the EU, or of migrants, wherever they are from." WM

The NUT will strike next week. Affected schools will be closed on Tuesday. If you are a parent or carer, please voice your support for this important action, designed to help bring the nation's attention back to the real problems facing our children, which (in the words of Harriet Harman) "are the responsibility of this Government, and not the fault of the EU, or of migrants, wherever they are from". We should all make arrangements to pool our childcare resources next Tuesday, and to organise activities for our children to do together. It is so important that we enable our teachers to take this action, free from guilt, that they are inconveniencing us, or acting in any way against the interests of our children. It is so important that we stand together at this time. WMxx

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153853076771939&id=6622931938

Pickle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I saw this new form of legitimised racism in > action today, Lordship Lane Co-op, when a man in > the queue in front of me "jokingly" said "we won't > have this problem once they've all gone home" > whilst nodding towards a person with an accent > asking for assistance with the "unexpected item in > the bagging area" problem we all know and love. > > What shocked me most was the fact that others in > the queue laughed. I agree that this is shocking. This referendum was such a bad idea. Cameron always said it would tear the country apart. Threaten peace, he said. And he was right. But no wonder people were confused. Since he was right, why did he put the whole thing out to a referendum? Like the pilot of a plane, coming out of his cockpit, asking his passengers, "Should I crash this thing?" Incredibly proud of the young people demonstrating in Westminister this evening.

Foxy is in the majority in the country, though. "Take control" won the day. Even now, what is Boris saying? People didn't vote Leave to prevent immigration (yeah, right), they just wanted to "take back control of our laws". We have control over our laws!!! FFS he is still lying. Will someone get a lawyer on the telly to put these xxxxxxxxx straight? My parents have been moaning about Brussels "telling us what to do" all my life. It seems to have entered the national consciousness of everyone born before 1970. Brussels is in control, Brussels in control, Brussels is in control. What my parents mean, of course, is that the EU "forced" us to decimalise and got rig of "old money". But the slogan still sticks. Brussels was not in control of us. Not until last Friday morning, when we handed them control of our post article 50 future. It's just ridiculous, how far from reality leave is.

Foxy, breaking news. Your country was never ruled by Brussels. Brussels had no say when we invaded Iraq. Brussels had no say when we started to privatise huge swathes of land and pubic buildings dedicated to education, by "academising" 100s of our schools. Brussels had no say when we tried to impose an unacceptable change of contract upon our junior doctors. Brussels has no say in our policing, in our criminal justice system, in the level of our income tax, national insurance, on our budget, on our monetary policy. Brussels does not set our interest rates or tell the BoE how much reserve currency to buy. Brussels tells us we have to use low energy light bulbs, and prohibits us from forcing people to work more than 48 hours a week, and bans us from discriminating against each other on the grounds of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, disability..... Enough already! You keep saying the same thing. You are wrong.

Loz, that is perhaps right at the heart of the very worst in all of this. Neither Leave, nor Remain, represent an ideology or a set of principles. They were both just slogans. That appealed to passions and prejudice. On two sides of a question which should never have been asked. Should we unilaterally - just because we feel like it - rip the rug from underneath the socio-economic-political settlement of the biggest landmass of humanity on earth, which has seen (relative) peace for only the last one-and-a-half generations of its history? Now that the wrong answer has been returned to that not-very-difficult-to-answer-correctly-if-you-think-about-it question, now that sloganeering and demagoguery have been allowed to triumph over basic common sense and rational argument, what are you left with? Everyone has to abandon what they really care about - their position on housing, education, funding of the NHS - and rally together with people they should be debating on those topics, in order to protect what they should be able to take for granted in 2016.

Hmm. Yes. Bloody good point that.

Thank you, 516. I believe you. I love this community and I really do not feel any less safe walking around my immediate neighbourhood than I did last week. There are about 10 nationalities represented in my house and the houses immediately on either side and we all look out for each and each other's children all the time. I myself am British. (I speak German badly.) Your reassurances and good faith are very much taken as read by me. And I didn't mean my post to imply otherwise. I'm just saying, the minority of people whose inner neanderthal (as you rightly say) is alive and well would have been silenced into self-censorship two weeks ago, by the decency of everyone else around them. Now they are not. Rendel - thank you!