LadyDeliah

A fish, I don't want to spoil your fun but the challenge was, post pics of Lycra louts scattering pedestrians and abusing them. You asserted this happens daily, but all you have posted are pics of benign looking pavement cyclists on near empty pavements, which no-one has claimed doesn't happen. So although it gives you great pleasure, is rather pointless.

Yes, I see you have perfectly captured the look of fear and loathing on the pedestrians' faces as he ploughs through them.

No wonder my ears were burning. A fish, you clearly missed me, so I'm sorry for neglecting your obvious needs, but real life got in the way. Still haven't seen any photos of Lyra louts scattering pedestrians and abusing them, which was the assertion I requested proof of. But don't worry about details a fish, you appear to be having so much fun so knock yourself out.

Still no biggie as far as I can see if you cycle slowly, especially as per the guy in your pic when there is no-one on foot in sight.

Empty pavement / road with trucks going down, no biggie in my opinion.

You haven't been on long enough to exhibit evidence of a penchant for personal vendettas. You got personal, but that only lasted for 2 or 3 posts. The personal vendettas was relating to the infamous DJKQ.

Aw, you're a newbie. I'm sure you'll learn the truth eventually.

a fish Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh and, who - or indeed what - is DJKQ? A previous poster, renowned for her elaborate story telling abilities and personal vendettas. Awfully sorry if I've mistaken your good self for such an unpleasant character.

a fish Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > henryb Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > however in 20 years in London I never > > seen a "Lycra Lout" bombing down the pavement > > barging people out the way spitting and > swearing > > at pedestrians. If someone would tell me where > to > > see one that would be great because I am > starting > > to feel I am missing out. > > As I've said before, try Farringdon/Clerkenwell. Doesn't this count then a fish?

You said you see Lycra louts ploughing through pedestrians whilst verbally abusing them on a daily basis. I asked you to show us. You showed us a guy cycling in a suit (?) on an empty street past a parked van. Impressive.

Wow, that's a perfect example of a Lycra lout ploughing through pedestrians on the pavement whilst verbally abusing them. Good work DJKQ, sorry, keep forgetting, I mean a fish.

Here's the smiley face, just incase anyone needed it in my previous post :-)

This is the real menace on our roads and pavements. Something really needs be done about it. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?5,file=108658 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/file.php?5,file=108659

Take a picture on your phone for us a fish, you seem to be able to hunt these elusive Lycra lout pavement cyclists more easily than anyone else. Or even a video, that would be cool. Evidence for all us non-believers that they not only wear Lycra and cycle on pavements dashing through pedestrians, but they also verbally abuse them. Yes, I'm sure if you see them every day, you could get something tasty for us by this evening.

Voyageur Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boris is doing what he can for cyclists, but most > London roads aren't built to accommodate cyclists > and other vehicles at their current levels. This has been said this a few times? Where is the evidence that London's roads can't accommodate cyclists? Who says so? If we are smart enough to design phones that can do everything huge computers used to do, why are we not smart enough to design planned, integrated transport infrastructure that gives equal access to all travellers? I'm not asking for more than my fair share. I'm asking for a proportionate amount of space to travel safely around my city/country by bike, along with hundreds of thousands of British cyclists. Why is that such an outlandish request? We are unwelcome targets on the roads and hated on the pavements. Where do you suggest we go? Oh and in relation to 'The Law', it's not just politicians who make law, Judges also make law and have done for hundreds of years before Parliament existed. I quoted a case somewhere on one of these never ending tirades against cyclists, where the Judge said that just because cycling on the pavement is not allowed, the Judge condoned it becsuse he said the guy had a duty to protect his own life. That is law. Also the policy statement by Paul Boeteng and the guidance to PCSO's saying they shouldnt normally give fixed prnalty notices if the person cycling on the pavement is doung so slowly and not putting anyone in danger, that is also relevant. The government (local and central) can be found to be acting unlawfully, if they dont follow their published policy. So the issue of whether cycling on the pavement is unlawful or not is unclear and open to challenge. I imagine that fairly soon there will be a change in the law, either via Parliament or via the courts. If I get a penalty notice for cycling on the pavement carefully, whilst giving way to pedestrians, in order to avoid a very dangerous stretch of road, I will fight it as far as I can through the courts in an attempt to elicit a change in the law. I know others who feel as strongly about this as I do, who plan to do the same thing. There needs to be a reassessment of different users' access to our roads and public spaces because our modes of transport have changed dramatically since the 1800's when the law governing cycling on pavements came into force.

Well Voyager, you've lost my vote when you stand for Mayor.

Just responding to your post. You said you'd been hit by a bike but not a car and I have had the opposite experience. How's that not relevant? In any case, any discussion about pavement cycling has to examine the safety of cycling on the road and motorist behaviour if any sensible solution is to be found. What's the point in telling cyclists they have to cycle in the road if they feel their lives are in danger? Tell them all you like, fine them, whatever, but until the roads are safe for cyclists or until there is adequate cycle infrastructure there will always be people cycling on the pavement. Simple. Instead of circular arguments and putting all the blame on cyclists, if you want real change in cyclists' behaviour, tackle the real menace, dangerous drivers who break the law as a matter of course, killing and maiming thousands every year.

Plus a van actually. About 3 weeks ago. Hit my hand while I was cycling when he squeezed through a gap that was too small.

And I've never been hit by a cyclist but I have been hit by a car, bus and truck door.

So DJKQ, sorry, I mean A Fish, are you going to make every thread I post on a chance to launch personal attacks on me, of the sort you were previously famed for? Or do you think it worth changing your MO now you have a new username?

A fish, I know you're trying to defend your rant against me, but no-where did I refer to the woman who you said was injured. Your post was one in a long line of unproven anecdotes from cyclists, pedestrians and motorists alike. My joke was against the tendency to pile one set of anecdotes against another set of anecdotes, because we can all recite horror stories and sad incidents against cyclists, pedestrians and motorists. This thread is littered with them. But anecdotes don't convey the full picture, which is why a number of us have continuously attempted to get this thread back to fact based arguments. But it seems many people on here prefer anecdotes to fact and take arguments against the use of anecdotes as a personal affront. Do you understand the problem with anecdote versus fact yet, or would you like me to continue trying to explain it to you?

Here, read this: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1175727,page=1 Everything you ever wanted to know on the subject, and then some!

a fish Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And Zebedee Tring, don't worry, I deal with far > more up-themselves people than Lady Deliah at the > film studios every day... Clearly

Damn, you guys got a bit carried away! A Fish, after you posted your anecdotal evidence, I was about to list the numerous motorists' violations I'd witnessed on my ride to work. But the list would have been long and I didn't have time to faff about so made a joke to show that anecdotal evdence is pretty rubbish and lets get back to real numbers and statistics. If anyone gets hurt by a car, a pedestrian or a cyclist, why would you expect me to not care? You don't know me and if you read any of my earlier posts, you may have noticed that I am all for increased safety through better design for all road users, including pedestrians. As for ZT saying I insult people because I can?t argue with them, it seems that you both fit into that category. And for the record ZT, as I told you before, it was your argument I rubbished, not you. But you clearly can?t differentiate between someone and their position.

My friend just called me to say that a car driver levitated 6 ft off the ground and swooped down on cyclists and pedestrians alike in his flying car.