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nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's possible that a "few people who hate dogs" > have got in touch with the Council and here the > Council is giving an opportunity for dog lovers > and owners to have their say. I really don't > think a total ban is envisaged. Have you ever considered the possibility that these "haters" may dislike the irresponsible owners rather than the dogs?

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > hmmm... > not sure about 'dogs run in packs', 'children at > risk', wording seems overly keen on painting a > picture which I just don't see (on 3x dog walks > per day, for the last 3 years, in all places > mentioned above and others). Dogs aren't blind, > just running into people - there may be the odd > collision but that's what happens when you mix > dogs/people in parks (or people/cars on streets). > BTW Nunhead Cemetery looks to me like the real > people patrolling it are the dogwalkers (private > and professional), I'm convinced their perpetual > presence is a primary reason there is limited > vandalism and other. more serious, misdemeanours > infrequent. I don't think I'm being a negligent > parent taking my 3 kids and older relatives there > frequently, I don't see a dog danger to kids there > at all. You can't just change everything around > you to suit yourself when it's been working fairly > well for decades, if you've recently moved to the > area why wouldn't you just wait a couple of years > to build-up an accurate picture to support your > 'case'. > I don't support this proposition of 'Dog Bronx' at > all. > dog poo - yes obviously it needs to be picked-up. > dogs off leads - there will always be a few and > wardens need to enforce daily and be able to > escalate after repeated occurences. Nunhead Cemetery is still a working cemetery, then it is a designated nature reserve. Quite where packs of dogs running loose barking while their owners/walkers (professional? do me a favour!) shout, whistle and whoop for them to come back fits in to that picture I don't know. I agree that the more responsible people there are in the cemetery, the safer it will be. I would suggest the best option for a cemetery would involve dogs on lead at all times, no more than 3-4 dogs per person and no commercial dog walking. A cemetery is primarily a place for people to pay their respects to the dead, also a place for peaceful reflection. A nature reserve is a place where the flora and fauna are allowed to flourish. Nunhead Cemetery is both. I think so many people in the area have forgotten these things and see the cemetery as just another park. I include dog owners, commercial dog walkers (NOT professional!), parents bringing their kids in to play football/fly a kite or drone/drive one of those ridiculous electric kids cars etc......, parents allowing their kids in alone through a hole in their garden fence along Ivydale Road at night while the cemetery is locked, and adults choosing it as a location for a boozy picnic. FFS! BTW. I work in parks and cemeteries and have witnessed everything the OP has mentioned and more on way too many occasions. In addition, the cemeteries team have received so many complaints from people with relatives buried in Nunhead Cemetery, people walking through the cemetery (including many dog walkers) and residents who live adjacent to the cemetery. Nearly two years ago, signs were put up on the gates, notice boards and inside the cemetery, reminding dog walkers of the primary use for the site and asking them to show respect for that use. Can anyone honestly say any such respect is being paid by a sizeable number of dog walkers? Are any of you even remotely aware of the amount of real distress caused by irresponsible dog owners? Many people have travelled over from commonwealth countries to visit the graves of relatives who died in the First World War only to find dog shit on the grave! This is the sort of thing that happens when a dog runs off into the overgrown areas out of the owner's sight. How would you feel if you had to clean that muck from a grave you were visiting? This sort of thing is the reason why this particular consultation is taking place.

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure I'd support dogs on leads in the areas of > Nunhead and Camberwell Old cemeteries which aren't > used for new burials. Seems reasonable otherwise. Trouble is many of the off lead dogs run loose from the overgrown areas to the active burial areas while their owners are clueless to their whereabouts.

first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I've said it many times but a far greater menace is status dgs walked off lead on street pavements. Why not focus on that? I can see that FPNs delivered to the owner of the family dog mght be easy pickings for an anti dog council. I too would like to see dogs put on leads in certain areas and for poo to be picked up and dog walkers limited to four dogs but this survey offers complete exclusion of dogs from large areas of public space as an option. That makes me suspicious of the real motives behind the consultation. I would be furious if I was barred from walking my dog in many of the borough's public spaces. Dadonabike, as he says a first time poster and new to the area, seems to have been incredibly unlucky in his experience of dogs in the area. After today's and other recent reports of attacks on people in parks with perpetrators using bikes to get away, the council should focus on this type of crime. Doubt anyone would suggest a total ban on bikes in parks or that bikes should always be hand wheeled not ridden through parks. Perhaps those with knowledge of research methodology can reply, but the way the survey is designed seems to ensure that these DCOS get put through because the only options are to choose greater controls or outright bans. There is no option to use existing legislation. For instance wardens can already issue fines for failing to bag and remove poo. I have never seen or heard of a fine issued though. The only way to avoid the skewing in the survey is to tactically lie and choose the option that says dog poo doesn't bother you etc, etc. The fact is there is already law in place to cover all the issues, but it is not enforced. My hunch the Council would simply prefer the simplicity of outright bans. My other point about dogs offlead on streets is this does present dangers to children, people and other dogs. In this situation most other dogs will be on the lead and being randomly approached by an offlead dog can lead to all sorts of problems. I simply cannot understand why the council with its fleet of community wardens on mopeds does not crack down on this real issue- but they will be too busy policing parking offences, I guess. First Mate. Instead of employing your usual deflecting tactics as listed above, you are missing out on the golden opportunity to tout for business from the multitude of people who need themselves and their dogs trained! PS. The fleet of wardens on mopeds are traffic wardens not community wardens, they can only deal with parking offences.

Toffee Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Dogs are members of the Wolfe family. This in a nutshell. The majority of dog owners seem to have forgotten this is the case. If they aren't trained and controlled, they can revert to wolf-like behaviour. They are not your babies or children. A lot of other people don't appreciate them jumping up at them, barking at them, snatching food etc....... Many people are scared of dogs. Please appreciate that fact and that some people don't want to say hello to your little darling. Of course they should be allowed in parks and open spaces, but only with responsible owners who have trained them and can recall them should an incident occur or even be imminent. Too many people let them off the lead then wander around texting or chatting with no clue as to where their dog is or what it is doing, let alone how to control it. much the same with many parents and their kids though to be fair.

There has been a little owl lurking in the trees around the park office for the past few weeks

That's a shame stringvest, there would be no need for you to have to make a statement, your initial post is more than adequate for that. It will just carry more weight to my report if I include the name and contact details of the complainant. Southwark are currently compiling reports of such incidents in the borough over the last 12 months to help prepare for a public spaces protection order, which they are hoping to implement.

Did you see the PM I sent you Stringvest?

Just checked and it is not an offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 if your dog attacks and kills/injures a fox (or squirrel). That is for certain protected species. It is an offence to allow your dog to be dangerously out of control on private or public land https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiTgZW1oonSAhXHLMAKHb0lBQQQFgglMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gov.uk%2Fcontrol-dog-public%2Foverview&usg=AFQjCNGMPFs21rxEgI1qlp2wGm48loQ6Ug, but the actual legislation is not displayed on the government website. Southwark are currently looking into implementing a borough wide public spaces protection order, which will enable officers, amongst a whole host of other offences, to enforce against dog fouling, dogs off lead in designated areas, control of dogs in certain areas and the number of dogs a person is allowed to walk at any given time. I have worked in parks for over ten years and can testify that a worryingly large number of dog owners/walkers haven't the faintest idea of how to control the animals in their charge. I look forward to the legislation being implemented and enforced at the earliest possible opportunity.

Southwark are doing away with the old dog bins as people can now use the general rubbish bins.

I think you will find this canvass is as paper free as possible James, so no freepost envelopes this time around. For those of you not happy to give details on the doorstep, you were sent a letter in July asking you to register/respond online (It took me less than a minute). You will have received subsequent reminders too, all with instructions showing how to submit your details online. All the canvassers are trying to do is to register you online by typing out for you the few letters and numbers you haven't quite got round to typing yourself in over two months. They are out in all sorts of weather. It is often a thankless task that isn't particularly well paid. For most it a extra job that helps pay the bills. What they are doing is legal and required by law. They would much rather be at home, watching TV, putting the kids to bed, out with friends, typing nonsense on forum threads etc........ I should know, I'm one of them! You could, and should, have registered/confirmed your details in the time it has taken to read this thread. Go on, dig out your letter or one of your reminders and get on with it please!

Neither slug pellets nor any other pest control poisons would be accessible to your dog at Peckham Rye Park and Common unless she managed to squeeze into a rat bait box!

What! No plastic? No wood? No metal? No paper/cardboard? Etc......... Sort it out!

3rd division now isn't it?

Let's hope you have checked that your "funeral" does not clash with a real one tomorrow. edborders Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Announcement > > Funeral for the Trees and Bushes (and flowers and > grasses, too) > Tomorrow Wednesday Meet 930AM Cortege 10AM > Camberwell Old Cemetery Gates > Forest Hill Road, East Dulwich > SE22 0RU > Wear black if possble. > > Lewis Schaffer

keane Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do people put it in a bag & then chuck > It on the ground that's crazy! Can't they hold on > to it until they reach a bin?! I think you will find the warden picked up and bagged the turds himself!

The warden in Nunhead Cemetery had collected these yesterday morning. 50 bags altogether, all from within 50 metres of the roundabout near the main entrance.

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The council doesn't need Church permission to do > its job of cemetery maintenance, nor to remove > So it will only be 'driving over the > bodies of children' in the sense that it is > driving over the ground 6ft or so under which > children are buried (which is what their mowers do > many times a year). Actually, they don't drive mowers over the graves as the ground is uneven and cluttered with half buried monuments/headstones etc..... Pretty sure all of the grass cutting is done with strimmers.

Professional would suggest some sort of vocational qualification. Not sure that is the case with many I see in the area.

Lost the plot??

Saturday at about 6.25pm on the grass outside the caf?. If anyone saw what happened, or knows the two black women who witnessed the incident and took a photo, can they please contact the park warden on 07940 743929 or email [email protected]

Paper petition? The poor trees

Google the Southwark Council website then type Councillors in the search box near the top.

Good advice AM. Unfortunately mine was stolen from indoors when I was burgled last week!

Worldwiser, you need to go to Specsavers