oimissus

Does anyone know if any shops/charity shops/churches are selling Easter cards locally? I?ve seen them in M&S but don?t really like their selection.

Agree that the one real improvement at this surgery has been the reception staff, who are so much friendlier and helpful than they ever were pre-pandemic. For the last appointment I made there (for my daughter to see a doctor) a couple of weeks ago, they actually made us an appointment at the Tessa Jowell - it seemed like they have an agreement to send their patients to TJ once they?ve run out of appointments for the day.

Finally, a sports governing body showing some backbone. Hopefully the days of men in women?s sports will soon be over. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/88e0a5e0-b026-11ec-8b8c-0207c0fd6104?shareToken=d3c86cc004313b1b7cbf34305292a186

Given that JK Rowling is currently pouring substantial amounts of her own money into ensuring the safety of children in institutions in Ukraine, that his forces are attacking, he's got a bloody cheek. You can donate to her charity Lumos, she is matching all donations up to ?1 million. She published an article about Lumos's work in Ukraine here: https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/hidden-victims/ However, no doubt the more stupid will now say, if Putin agrees with JKR then we were right that she's a horrible person.

Because they're being bullied by the 'just be kind' 'can't see the issue' 'deeply insulting' crowd? I hope they turn up and then refuse to play.

Dulwich Hamlet Women's Team are playing against a team comprised solely of male players. [edited as this is not the photo of the team that will be playing. Interesting that we're not getting to see that team - I wonder why?] All lovely and inclusive and a world first - and not a care for the safety of the women players. Still 'deeply insulting'? https://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/all-transgender-team-plays-local-football-club-in-world-first/

Sticking with sport, let?s consider Emily Bridges. A man. I can say that with respect because Emily is currently competing in cycling as a gender non-confirming man for his university in the men?s team. Grand. Emily is also planning to compete in the Commonwealth Games on the national women?s team. Can someone tell me exactly what it is that I?m supposed to respect about this entitled man?s identity? Or are we still on ?deeply insulting?? Because I?ll tell you what?s deeply insulting. Women being gaslit by this absolute BS and missing out.

Interesting that you mention the orange one given that trans/gender ideology rests upon and is shored up by lies that would probably make even him blush. No mention of the awful lie that this mother thinks will land her child in the grave before time. And yes, America is an awful place for many minorities, and indeed women. Though that doesn't stop them offering children irreversible medication and surgeries so that they can be forced into gender norms and/or trans the gay away. heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If fake news is a loving and supportive mother, > concerned about bringing her child up in a state > that encourages people to vilify and demean her > child then bring on that fake news matey. The last > person I remember running around screeching 'fake > news' 'fake news' was a certain USA president. > People are just people - gender is a social > construct and sex is a lottery, it's just stupid, > thoughtless DNA trying to replicate itself using > us as walking sacks of code. > I don't care what you call yourself, where you > take a piss, or what you do or don't have hanging > between your legs - as long as you are nice to me > and others. > So much hatred on this thread. I'm out.

I stopped watching when the dodgy stats reared their heads. This statistic than trans people won?t make it beyond 35 is a global stat. The majority of trans deaths are in Brazil, which has a very high homicide rate anyway, and the majority there killed are working as prostitutes. It may be slightly relevant to the US (but is still a global, not American, stat) but is utterly irrelevant here, where trans is one of the safest demographics to be. Please don?t peddle fake news like this. We have enough of it already with the false child suicides stats that have been repeatedly debunked and yet continue to be spread, to the detriment of children?s health.

"So, how do we safeguard women's spaces (and sports competitions for that matter) against the small minority of people born male, who might fark it up for the rest of the trans community?" In the same way we safeguard women from every other male - by keeping them *all* out of women's spaces and sports. The decent ones know and understand why that happens, and might even spend some time campaigning (as women did for women, for decades) for third spaces etc. Women's and girls' safeguarding and participation in public life should not be risked to validate male identities or male feelings. [sharron Davies has just tweeted to say that a transman competed in this race too (not on testosterone though). So we are meant to believe that a transwoman is a woman, and a transman is also a woman, not a man? Which is it? Or is this simply a case is that someone trans is whatever they want to be at any given time depending on what's most convenient?]

*TheCat* yes, I can see that from your posts and I thank you for them, and I am not addressing any comments to you. But in 6 years of this debate, I have come to realise, as I have explained upthread, why clear language that doesn't seek to obscure or confuse is the only way forward - and there are trans people out there who agree, who know they are not women but men, and support what I am saying and how I say it. Men as a sex class are a threat to women, which is why we have single sex spaces. It doesn't matter how those men present or identity or feel. What is being suggested here by some is that some men, due to those identities or feelings, shouldn't be treated as all other men are but as a sacred caste, free from the usual due diligence, safeguarding etc. History shows us that treating certain sections of society as being above suspicion hasn't exactly worked out well. Right now we are hearing reports of men posing as aid workers on the Poland/Ukraine border, snatching girls and women to sell into sex trafficking. Abusive men will use every opportunity and will go to great lengths to access their victims. Those who work with these victims know this and have been shouting it from the rooftops for years, to no avail. There are plenty of transwomen who know and understand this, who know that trans identities can and are assumed by men to access female victims. A far higher proportion of transwomen in prison (around 50%) than the male prison population are sex offenders. Should women and girls just ignore that fact? The era of No Debate is over - we can see the damage done by shutting debate down. A man cheats women athletes. A man rapes a woman on a female hospital ward. Just the two most recent and high-profile occurrences. But it never happens. It hardly ever happens. It happens but it's a "non-issue".

And lots of women hate that. The Peckham Coal Rooms have mixed sex toilets with shared hand washing facilities. It has stopped me from returning to eat a meal there. JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > oimissus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > On what basis do you get to decide which single > > sex spaces are a ?non-issue?? What measure are > you > > using to make that statement? > > > > I?m not sure you?re in any position to call > anyone > > else disrespectful. Certainly not a woman. I > have > > no respect for anyone who seeks to erode my > > boundaries or tell me that those boundaries are > a > > ?non-issue?. > > Thatcher privatised everything so spaces depends > on who owns that space - capitalism and that won't > change > > If you go in bar Storey we all share the restrooms > (or we did before pandemic).

You think that single sex toilets exists simply because of what I like? Seriously? The biggest block to female education and female participation in public life globally is access to single sex toilets. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/single-sex-toilets-unesco-un-international-womens-day-period-a8244776.html I also don?t know any men who are particularly happy with mixed sex toilets. But I find it extraordinary that you think, for example, that a 12 year old girl should be sharing toilet facilities with adult men. You genuinely can?t see any problem with that at all. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html So the fact that single sex toilets have been standard for 100 years was all a silly mistake? And that it?s right that that mistake should be corrected? fishbiscuits Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On what basis do you get to decide it *is* an > issue? > > Just because you personally don't like it?

On what basis do you get to decide which single sex spaces are a ?non-issue?? What measure are you using to make that statement? I?m not sure you?re in any position to call anyone else disrespectful. Certainly not a woman. I have no respect for anyone who seeks to erode my boundaries or tell me that those boundaries are a ?non-issue?.

?GC rabble? 🤣🤣🤣 I wonder he just didn?t write witches.

No one is talking about trans people not being here, that?s pure hyperbole. But humans can?t change sex and Lia Thomas is a clear example of how gender ideology negatively impacts women (I notice you?re steering clear of commenting on that). What do you mean by trans rights? Trans people in the U.K. have the same rights as everyone else (that?s why it?s nothing like Section 28). The only ?right? trans people don?t have is the ?right? to impose their beliefs on anyone else. No one has that ?right?, and for very good reasons. Why do you think trans people should be exempt from that? Finally, women?s rights are also human rights. They were hard fought for and hard won and not any man?s to give away. Bic Basher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All I will add to this debate is that trans rights > are human rights and that certain people who are > discussing trans people as if they're not here are > no different to the bigoted homophobes of the 70s > and 80s.

Brava! DKH MUM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It?s always transphobic when a woman or girl > doesn?t want to share her safe space, her > sports/swimming competition, her prison or her > hospital ward with a man. > > You can?t change sex, however you can get cosmetic > surgery to change your appearance and take > hormones. This is not changing sex. > > Women are uniting on this and have the support of > many, including the LGB community and some members > of the T. > If you?re a concerned teacher reading this, get > involved?you?re not alone. > > Eg Womens Rights Network have groups all over the > UK and many local groups in London. > > https://www.womensrights.network/ > @WomensRightsNet on Twitter > > Don?t bother telling me what I am, I know what I > am. > An adult human female.

Stonewall's redefining of homosexuality (from same-sex attracted to same-gender attracted) is unbelievable. But they did actually go there, and are still there. But I'm not sure what an acronym has to do with protecting women's sports.

Well, saying that someone who knows that humans can't change sex and using clear language that doesn't seek to obscure is akin to a racist is about the most successful way you could shut this conversation down.

Yes. The NHS are required by the government to provide singe sex (not gender) wards. However, they have decided that they don?t want to do that anymore and will house patients according to ?how they present?. There is now a piece of guidance called Annex B, whereby if a woman complains or even observes that there is a man in a women?s ward, the staff are to outright lie and deny that that man is there. Rape is a male crime under English and Welsh Law (not sure about other parts of the UK). So when the hospital were approached by the police to enquire how a man go into this ward, they simply denied that a man was there at all. Only, after months of gaslighting the victim, driving her nearly to a nervous breakdown and impeding the police investigation, when the CVTV was produced, showing clearly that there was a mn on the ward, did they admit it. This is what you get when you call men women. For some reason, some people think this is an OK price to pay. I don?t. Yes, it?s possible that a man could wander into a women?s ward and rape someone. But this man didn?t wander. He was put there, purposefully, by the staff, regardless of the impact on women?s privacy, dignity and safety - or, indeed, the law. Moovart Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What's most perplexing about the hospital incident > is that a hospital would delay or avoid > investigating an attack on a patient whatever that > attack might be and by whomever it was committed. > Hospital wards are not high security units and all > sorts of people can fairly easily access them. Why > would they not investigate?? > > Is there more to that story than it initially > seems?

I have been paying very close ttention to this debate for over 6 years. In all that I have read, seen and heard I have now come to the conclusion that the damage done to society by ever referring to anyone male as a woman cannot be ignored any longer (though many of course won?t that to happen). Because people see the word woman and start to think that there is something, however nebulous, about that person that makes them a woman, when there isn?t. Because a woman is an adult human female and no one male can become female, just as an adult can?t become a child and a human can?t become a cat. Eg Q: should transwomen be allowed to compete in women?s sport? A: it?s a complex issue. Q: Should men be allowed to compete in women?s sport? A: No, definitely not. Clear language is the only way forward. Clear language that signals facts not feelings isn?t transphobic (there you go, throwing that term around to shut down debate). I also noticed that you haven?t responded to my suggestion that they categories should be Women and Open. diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > redjam Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > ''It's so unhelpful that we can't have a debate > about these issues without instantly being accused > of being transphobic. I fully support the right of > trans people to live safely and happily in > whatever gender they choose'' > > That's all well and good but Oimissus doesn't > think the same and instead believes that a man who > has transitioned to a woman is not a woman per se, > and constantly and knowingly refers to them as a > man, which is seen as an insult in the trans > community. That's transphobia right there. > > There is indeed a serious debate to be had about > how trans people can best be integrated into > sport, but you can't have that debate with people > like Oimissus who won't even recognise their > identity and instead constantly throw insults...

Equestrian sports are just about the only sport that men and women can compete equally in. The vast majority of sports they can?t, and in any kind of contact sport it?s outright dangerous. That?s such a disenegnous take, and one that minimises the impact of men in women?s sport on women. But one that I?ve seen presented repeatedly. *TheCat* I saw that story. Typical of Mermaids to stamp their feet when they realise that they?ll be up against people who will carefully and precisely pull their position to pieces. With the publication of the interim Cass Review, they know their gravy train is grinding to a halt. As for the students, words fail me. It?s an online event, did they think that Helen Joyce would reach through their laptop screens and slap them upside the head with some scary facts? And agree that transphobia is now used simply as a silencing tactic (along with ?it?s just like Section 28!? - it isn?t). It?s completely meaningless otherwise. (Edited for typos)

The only thing that?s ?wrong? with that is that it wouldn?t validate them as women. Which is almost certainly why it hasn?t happened. Women and Open should be the categories. It would mean that mediocre male athletes like Thomas and Hubbard wouldn?t get a look in, but that?s not the fault of women, nor their problem to fix.

From Daley Thompson yesterday: ?The funny thing is we never needed to get here, or maybe we did.if the people running sport cared about women or women?s sport or if it deprived men of medals, scholarships and pride do you think we would be here?? Maybe some people want to pretend or turn the other way when the evidence that women really aren?t important is placed in front of them, but we need to consider why, in 2022, weare at a stage where a man can compete in women?s sport, or a man can be housed in a women?s hospital ward, rape a woman, and the NHS cover it up because their guidelines state that that man must be recorded as a woman if he says so, tell the police that the rape couldn?t have happened because no man was on the ward, and only, months later, admit the truth when the CCTV footage is shoved under their noses. Baroness Nicholson has all the details of this case, and a number of others. It happened. When are we going to act so that it doesn?t? About halfway through this speech, which is worth listening to in full anyway.

Testosterone is not the only physical advantage men have over women. Reducing testosterone (and men aren?t expected to reduce it to the natural levels of a woman anyway) doesn?t negate physiological things like length of stride, heart and lung mass, narrower hips. A woman with the testosterone levels that men can have in women?s sport would be doping and therefore a cheat. Worth listening what Sharron Davies has to say, hearing her experience of competing against doping East Germans in the 70s. https://mobile.twitter.com/Hardley76/status/1505463408426196993/photo/1