Quids, I laughed at your assumption.. Declining to answer as I will only open the floodgates forgrief. Anyway, I do support my local independents in a very big way although unfortunately not as much on the coffee front as I ought to - I bkame that on thefactthat I don't get to spend as much time in ED as I would like. For convenience sake, Nero is closestto where I work andfrom there, grew the fondness. As for M&S, a lifetime of habit.. Marmora Man, is there a Caffe Vergano around Liverpool St? I have had a few super coffees in some non-chain establishments - all league of their owm.. Where are the best non-chain places in ED for proper coffee? Locale do a nice Expresso martini but that doesn't really count, does it?