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Diver Dan wrote: Public sector workers pay tax - yes. However, they are paid by taxpayers - so the tax paid by the public sector is just "wooden dollars" - it does not increase the total tax take of the country, it merely recycles tax already paid by the private sector. Wooden dollars ? Oh right yes so the kids get educated by dedicated staff , a fundamental little whimsy , but you just want to think about the tax benefit ? Cor love to be in your Sim City bet it's a right load of fun.

TWO hate-filled women leading the teachers' strike today are left-wing extremists who put their twisted politics ahead of kids' education. Mam man - writes in today's Sun. Also any of our Local politicians want to enter this debate ? Doubtful.

How amazing ! This got moved out of the related to ED section, I thought thiswas an independent blog. It appears Mr Barber and friends complained. Mam - I think we all know that it was you who only a few years back was studying politics and history at loughborough uni, all these student protests are a bit obvious. Frankly your silly little bullet points are just a concoction of idiocy. You. Are slavering in your attempts to prop up your little liberal mates. The bottom line is that the majority of private sector companies with any unionisation and public ones alike have rejected the move to CPI as it means huge losses to those who have been contributing for years. Pretty all the BBC journo's who you watch starry eyed every day rejected CPI only recently. As for you public private comparisons what is the point. What is the social contribution of a Virgin call centre or Carphone warehouse ? What r they putting back exactly? Also my viz reading, cfra swilling friend, how many teachers do you know who got a performance related bonus ? Oh right none. My mates in bloody B+Q got nearly 900quid and John Lewis upwards of 3 grand before tax. Its just baseless propaganda and nearly a million well educated people disagree with you. But hey you know better, u can save us, you'll save the 'people' Thanks but no thanks , we can look after ourselves. By the way your brand as liberalism will be as dead as 'loads of money' in tethe 80's, it will just an embarrassing footnote hidden under your bed along with your dissertation on the single european currency. Good luck on Thursday Everyone

Yes dear of course it is. How about you just cross the road and get some spelling advice. I will get some punctuation advice and see u there.

I hope on Thursday that all of us who have children in local Schools show support for all those teachers and staff who dedicate themselves to teaching the next generation. We have suffered a week of distateful spin from this coalition but the one thing that they have failed to mention is that these children are likely to be some of the next generation of public sector teaching staff. It is those children's future terms and conditions, as well as the current teaching staff which these community ignorant proposals aim to degrade. The private sector need to grow some back bone and fight their own battles, the comparisons are meaningless and ridiculous. Don't fall for the government hype about affecting hard working families, don't let them isolate these dedicated teaching staff for their own political agenda. Just hoot your horns, wave from across the street, give them yours and your children's support.Send a clear message that holds some small significant value against the empty rhetoric of nasty politicians like Micheal Gove. To all the teachers and staff Good luck on Thursday

The Chair has received no PMs from anyone on this matter. Undisputed Truth - you are lying. Stop it. It makes a further mockery of your name. Obviously he was not lying just mistaken.......hope you are as quick to publicly put down , Mamora man, ????, Loz , Strafer, Hugenot, et all.

Ha! I suspect I am low on the Chair's hit list. Unlike some... ???? Roar chair Roar.....the kids are back.

Eh ? Er ! just pointing out that UDT points are absolutely on the money. I can see where you are going LM, but I absolutely do not agree with this idea of un assertive women in the workplace. Its just not fact. I imagine to earn a larger amount in the public sector you have to be a full on career proffesional, that in itself is easier for men than women. In the private sector theer is a lot more scope for flexible working, child support in the form of exra payments for having children etc etc. I know several very large public sector workplaces that have for the past 24months put a complete freeze on flexible working.

UDT, your taking class, it was needed.

sweet mother of Mary.....a Thatcherite? or have i misundertood. She double unemployement from 1.5 to 3million in 18months 79 -81. Flogged all the council houses and put a ban on building anymore, decimated uk industry and she bought a house in Dulwich Village ! her house in belgravia is registered under an offshore company, she pays no coucil tax , no capital gains. certainly was not a liberal so maybe one positive.

Blimey just read the Chairs warning....Hugenot , Loz , ???? you are one step away from oblivion. Unlike yourself i would hate to see you blown out of the forum after all these years. Like the chair said if your losing the argument just work harder to win it with out insulting. UDT has certainly had some very un-called for things thrown his/her way. Now.....after Thursday the Lib Dems will be metaphorical mincemeat. Neville Chamberlain's the lot of em. What did Tony say Education , Education , Education And Clegg.....free banking shares for all !!!! well done Nick focus on the issues ???

I agree, we are trying to have a meaningfull discussion and when some of these posters dont agree they start calling people names. I am glad u have acted on the PM i sent yesterday. I think sometimes something has to be said otherwise the debate descends into purile name calling. Well done chair, its hard to stand upto people who have got their slippers right under the bed. So looks like this coalition is determined to push our teachers into strike action , they are spinning now that these people are trouble makers and not living in the 'real world'. How many teachers are on bonus schemes ? loads of crap private companies may no longer offer FSP but they all run these incentive schemes to keep staff in lin. How can you pay in for 40 years at RPI then get told sorry we are changing the terms backwards to CPI....its a bloody joke. How about instead of giving money away from the banks to everyone they give it to the public sector pension pots to show that in our society we value the education of our children.

That was worth the walk down from the fields, she really did bring it to Glasto, Epic.

Christ and this from the avatar highway man.

oops looks like i got that wrong, just found this on a site so looks like its still on. edited for decency: "Scotland Yard has issued new advice to police officers saying do not arrest anyone calling you a c**t,or a bastard, or a w*nker, or even f*c*ing c*nt or f*c*ing w*nk*r.They?ve done this because courts will not convict people who do. Cops are not too happy, Tory MPs are livid???.but me?well I?M F*C*ING WELL HAPPY! I suggest on june 30th we gather for a collective effort at swearing at the police. A huge wall of sound rolling down Whitehall as grimfaced cops stand hapless as C**T AND F*C*ING W*N*ER echo around Downing Street. Oh my aching sides????.. " bleedin anarchists , always trying to make political hey.....C***S

Is it true that some Tory of party standing has been found dead, backstage in a VIP area at Glasto by am aide and inside a portaloo? Apparently there was some delay in calling for security, but no suspicious circumstances, it does get hot in those loo's I suppose.

Looks like we won't get to J30, the government are folding. Christ at least with Thatch a punch up was a dead cert. Bloody liberals.

so a pointless excerise that serves little purpose, and at the taxpayers expense ? what a surprise.

No one post's there because they all know about Kleinhond and his dorky ED friends. If the people of Nunhead want to blog they would set a genuine one up.

Hey hugenot, actually you may have a real point (finally) about this projection thing for example this would mean that when you projected the following you were actually redirecting your own redirecting libidinal satisfaction. " I think SSG and UnreliablePrejudice come from the same sad crowd that sit around in pubs saying "It's shite here and everyone are w@nkers" as a way of disguising the fact that their unpleasant and unnecessary behaviour is the reason that they're sat on their own. " So by your own genius logic, you must spend a lot of time sat on your own. Surely the EDL, er sorry EDF , drinks meet is a bit more social that that. Surely they don't leave you on your own ?

Well as the saying goes " if dibbles nags are rockin on the first bag of marbles, save the 2nd bag for later"

UDT : I'm involved in two community groups where in one I've experienced some odd behaviours. And there is a local community forum where the admin would ban posters because their views were incompatible to his. Still laughing at this one, priceless par , dont reckon they will notice the big red hand prints across their little muggy faces though, used to it no doubt.

Broadly speaking you are suggesting that in excess of 200000 teachers are anarchists , odd that. And there is never any enthusiam to strike, and no its got not about 'saving' public sector salaries as you so elequently put it. It about the the probable majority of people outside of your group little oddities being unhappy with the fact that the wealth of just the 1,000 richest individuals in this country as measured by The Sunday Times was ?333.5bn. After a year of everyone being exhorted to pull together and share the burden, the wealth of this top 1,000 had increased to ?395.8bn. The combined wealth of these ridiculously overvalued individuals is now over 40 per cent of our country's total sovereign debt. Room enough there for a substantial wealth tax before we start expropriating the rights and earnings of people who actually need what money they possess. Makes a lot of sense to me. Obviously Loz still thinks that the 'people' exist as read in the 1980's in his SUN published copy of the 'Left and The Right and the Sun in the middle' : foreword by George and Lynne. As for plans how about we get UDT on the moderators panel.

Needle exchanges in East Dulwich.....U? And while we are on the subject of needle sized pricks , apparently that arch liberal Cleggy had an idea all of his own. Yes seriously he was in the bath playing with his blue ducks when Eureka! An idea to present to cabinet. Seriously are we really just seen as C##nt# by this lot? Anyway he wants to pay 44+ million people, tax dodgers et all in shares for banks that we apparently own. Then depending on the share price at the time of sale he wants to give us all , anarchists and fascists a share in Gordon's master plan. What a f-ing genius he is. If proof was needed here it is....a tool of the highest order he certainly is.

Not sure about rudeness can't seem to see that post. but the opinion piece (if u are talking about the indy link) just reclaims the idea from James that the liberal democrats are marching in the same direction. Although i do agree with what you say about a multitude of ideas i think it is reasonable to un spin political spin when one sees it. The Liberal democrats are in major trouble, more that labour were over iraq that's for sure. We also know that the reforms had little to do with liberal political pressure and more to with the fact that Andrew Lansley absolutely ballsed it up and cam ron made the best of a bad situation, politics huh.