I dunno, the bottom line for me is that I've never seeb a tattoo that's that great....you know, thet'd be ok if someone sKetched it on a bit of paper and I looked at it for, oooh, maybe 30 seconds, but some Celtic Rhun shit on my back or round my ankle FOR EVER, behave. So, for me, a tattoo has to mean something Football team, Regiment, HMS Prison or Ship, Proper gang/firm ...the rest is just middleclass w*nk that looks average as far as I'm concerned