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There's a bit of that agreed but I think that quite a few players haven't looked of felt happy (ie Terry's failed Coup/Gerrards performences period!) playing like that. Heatrbreaking though they were 90, 96(Euro) and 98 were fantastic tournaments in which England were involved in some of the best games..caveat on 90 'cos there were no great teams but some great games

Are the Good lady folk allowed or is it just for the chaps

I think the other thing that this shows is that the Foreigh Coaches we've tried so far have been good at getting us to qualify for major competitions (which we should as a matter of course) with a bland slighty anglicised version of defensive continental football which then gets pulled apart by decent teams - give me the football and excirtement of Robsons, Venables and Hoodles taem ANYDAY - the last time I really enjoyed watching England in a Euro or World Cup Finals was France '98, there's hardly been an exciting England game in a Final since Argentina in '98. Crunched results followed by anti-clinmatic unisnpiring deserved exit (or a right tonking in South Africa).

What SJ said about JT etc EXCEPT the FAs incompetece and arrogance was in giving Capello an improved and non-results orientated extension to his contract PRIOR to the WC in South Africa, which folloiwing the debacle thereafter has left practically everyone scratching their heads about a) Why? and b) what to do with an overpaind, failed international manager who 'wouldn't' fall on his sword after failure as he had a watertight lucrative contract. They may have used the JT situation to oust him but they chose him and then put him in the driving seat (contractually) in the first place. Incompetent.

However, a contributor based publication brings its own problems regarding the consistency, quality, relevance and editing. Nobody ever does anything for nothing, and that applies to contributors too. They may be doing it out of vanity, in which case editing is a nightmare, or they're doing it to push an agenda which you may not be aware of. Finally, contributor base content always bites you on the arse: ,,,and in a nutshell the EDF

Whilst UDT is being an utter prat I am actually gasping that you can post that with a straight face Huge

Ok that's Honnie sorted but what ya gonna do about Ted?

PS Don't get me wrong there are players like vulture funds buying haircutted bonds and trying to stall negotitions to up the %pay out a bit (which is pretty greedy unattractive behaviour) but that's not the cause of the Sovreighn Debt crisis which is just down to Mr Micawber's wise words.

Huge, most buyers of Sovreign debt aren't a few overpaid hedgies or desperate geeky day traders as you genuinely seem to believe. The majority are the standard major investors who were traditionally attracted to Sovreighn debt at it is historically safe for excess cash albeit for poorer returns - so pension funds, Sovreign wealth funds, banks investment (not trading arms); building societies, savings banks, corporate funds etc etc. They are are now scared of much sovreaign debt and so are putting their money into the 'bankers' which includes A1 Corporate equity,Corporate bods Commodities and in SD terms at the moments Switzerland, Germany...and, amazingly us. Investors are actually in net terms now paying to park their cash in 'these safe havens' bonds No-one wants Greek debts or increasingly Portuguee, Italian and Spanish debt without a huge interest rate becuase they are genuienly convinced that they won't get paid back as the sums don't add up not some bizzare 'market' entertainment greed conspiracy theory that you seem to expound? You're not normally an international CT theory nutter Markets are just being rational pulling their cash out of investments that are looking dodgy and putting them in safer places, I'd be happy with them if it was my cash/pension fund. From the ERM to Greek debt they are just looking at numbers and saying the politicians may bluster, talk and stand firm but looking at the numbers we believe that thid is ther outcome so we'll take a position; sell our existing holdings etc. Greece* is in trouble because it borrowed too much money too cheeaply that it can never realistically pay back not because a whole load of Norewigan Hedgies in Mayfair are trying to get another Porsche at the weekend- simples. So cease with your SWP type moanings that it's all a result of malipulative currency traders, it's rot! *insert at least another 4 Eurozone countries Would you be happy if your investement manager said he was putting your cash/pension into say Spanish bonds for a 6% return right now? Would you be saying that's a great return given the state of the Spanish economy? Or you think German and French largesse will extend that far? Too many risks for me I'd be selling. If the markets see something that makes no sense they will rightly try and profit on it - I isee Man City available for 10/1 for the Premiership I'm on it - Soros did that back in 199? becuase hea said there's no way that ? can be at that value despite what Lamont/Major et al tried to say. Basic truths not market manipulation innit. So either 3-4 leave the Euro or Germany stumps up - go have a punt.

If that's the case Hal why is the Euro still tanked?

..the markets would start looking for the next failures ....Portugal (tu) ....Irealnd (tu) er....Spain :-S ...Italy ::o

I now have the beginnings of a persecution complex, which in and of itself should give me automatic entry to the EDF. Brilliant, let her in

Yup. Because they have safe, secure, long term, fixed or just inflation linked contracts with owners (who are largely the banks)> You can generally stay forver and are hard to shift even if you stop paying. Good luck with getting that sort of contract with a private landlord here....or even a public one given the recent law changes

You're just trying to wind up the apostrophe police now Bon (3/10)

...inflation is the other way of 'dealing' with it DJ. You're right, that prices haven't really fallen nominally seems nearly beyond logic (altough in London the explanations are clear) but in real terms we are down a 'bit'. The 80s boom ended nearly 25 years ago it will interesting how many people will be able to clear off their Full Term mortgages over the next couple of years, most will be fine but a fair few will have used that increased equity to fund their lifestyles and the pipers gonna call.

Different to those bottles we got off the tower blocks back at the Old Den ;-)...coats overheads job

Did you go Steve?

..the second goal was extremley iffy I agree :))

Chimchiminee chimchiminee chimchimcheroo >:D

still wall to wall pedants :))

Don't get me wrong I support renewables but they ain't fit for purpose yet

Oh come on. Just export the energy pollution manufacturing to China, that gonna help our grandchildren? We'll feel better about ousrelves, not have any manufacturing but you know, we're good and green. The debate needs some reality not gesturing from a relative insignificant country of 60 million. As I said I'm for bridging and developing technology in an attempt at solving it, the only hope we've got IMO. Turning off our lights once a year and poking our tongues out at car drivers is meaningless gesturing. You really think a self imposed UK carbon tax is going to make any foooking difference at all? It'll just fuck our economy a bit more especially the bit that we are now meant to love ie manufacturing. The resource and carbon footprint that goes into the manufacture of a PC isn't anythinginnsignificant and yet people worthy about tgheir green credentials on the internet all day. We have to find away of reducing carbon emmisions from carbon fuel the alternatives are miles away from providing a solution and believe me behaviour will not change, not even here in Green is good Europe let alone China and India.

Chris Huhne was banging on about a Carbon Tax continually wouldn't have ghappened I suspect but worrying. Don't believe everything you read from afar - The UK still has a manufacturing base especially in high tech high end stuff. It's not all making pots and pansin China

I presume you're a service business and it shows - you don't think that energy is a significnt part of most manufacturing hey Huge? It's not all farting about on computers you know, making stuff takes significant energy ;-)

I've a house, I live in it, it's my home, I'm gonna stay here a while longer..... the value is a bit incidental BUT there is no way SE22 is the new Notting Hill. You're drunk or barking and I'm off to bed. Goodnight Jesse it's been fun :))