Come on David I contribute plenty of serious stuff in the Drawing Room and elsewhere, even when an honest invitation to debate results in a pile of vitriolic, frothing at the mouth slurring (to mention no names). I'm regularly in the economic debates, don't see you much in them but being a socialist I guess you've no interest in Economimcs ;-) I hold impeccably liberal views on the death penalty, racism and foreighn aid to name but 3. (ooh and Foie Gras by the way) I'm happy to have a seriuos debate on Climate Change but suspect that our views on that are ther same, it's happening and it's man made, but for the interest of our economic well being AND THE FUTURE OF OUR WELFARE STATE I'm not that keen that we export our jobs and pollution to competitor economies that couldn't give a fig. I'm also in the 'bridging' theory that we use Carbon based fuels for now (and for me Nuclear too), especially the cleaner ones combined with cleaner technology, whilst we try and develop non-carbon based ones that can actually match our demand - we are miles away from this at the moment. We have a platform for developing efficient manufacturing, it's our modern high-tech industries (including car manufacturing) it's where all the workforce work in partnership to try and develop profits, decent working conditions and rfair pay and jobs (ie Honda in Swindon/Nissan in the NE)and not one where belligerent communist/socialist union fight outdated battles from eons ago. (a la Bob Crow and half the Public Sector ones)