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Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Talk me through resolution of the conflict and > > defeating ISIS via the UN Blah rather than the > > touchy freely peace loving concept? Meanwhile > > yesterday military action by the Kurds > supported > > by air strikes from the US liberated 1000s from > > the tyranny of ISIS > > Only if you talk me through how bobming and > invasion has brought about any stability in the > Middle East We are talking about the now. The claim that it's some sort of massive insight that the War in Iraq caused much of this is laughable, of course it did and I among millions including the "hated" Liberal Democrats opposed it, you'd have thought it was just Corbyn the way his supporters go on. But ISIS now, tell me how are we going to deal with them cos I can't tell you some sort of UN settlement that Corbyn seems to suggest is absolute naive pie in the sky as anyone with a brain can see, apart from corbynistas and a man who seems to think that this is the case isn.t fit to be a PM in my opinion. It's just an abstract and pious viewpoint with no responsibility which meanwhile leaves ISIS murdering and enslaving. But it's owners think it's some sort of moral high ground the ignoring of evil. Corbyn's more obsessed with his dislike of the US than doing anything responsible. He's a prime example of the danger of idealism and the false moral certainty of their righteousness that turned many, including me, away from the left. So, how do we get the UN to solve Iraq and ISIS or do we just say 'talking is better than fighting' (as it is) but actually do nothing other than demonstrate our pacifist purism?

Fair enough Ratty. The reality is I don't think there are simple solutions...if only 'they' could all sit down over a pint. If I,m about I'll pop in.

The north London branch of Stop the War singing "Give peace a chance" to the UN Security Council...that'll fix it

ratty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Strange that the families of his victims agree > with the sentiment that he should have been tried. > But what do they know? > > And so the killing continues. Is that what you > want? More attacks like in Paris? That's what the Hennings and the Haines family all said is it Ratty? Not really but seems to be the narrative your brilliant leaders apologist PR team are building. Still at least ISIS lost a major foot hold yesterday so less throwing of gays of buildings and mass sexual slavery, no thanks to the UN by the way

Talk me through resolution of the conflict and defeating ISIS via the UN Blah rather than the touchy freely peace loving concept? Meanwhile yesterday military action by the Kurds supported by air strikes from the US liberated 1000s from the tyranny of ISIS

Corbyn isn't soft or liberal he's a lefty whose anti-western ideology was fairly harmless when he was a fringe lefty idiot. This bloke is leader of the Labour Party though unbelievably.

Corbyn's utterly predictable at best naive but in reality sanctimonious, 'virtuous' guff response to the killing of jihadi John today followed by tonight's hideous events in Paris tell me all I need to know about his suitability as a leader of anything but a fringe lefty pressure group. God help us all if he's ever in charge.

I;d rather he got done for assault than sued for being 'racists'

Wot Quids said Ken: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/11/ken-clarke-laments-impossible-constraint-placed-upon-chancellors

There's a slightly contraversal argument (becuase some of it csn bre interpreted genetically if you're that way inclined) that the failure of this group is becuase there's less ethnic whites in the working class now as the most motivated moved up as society and opportunities opened up for them with no employment discrimination against them (unlike other ethnic groups) so you're left with a group that are less motivated and capable (either because of their 'make up' or their parental views on education's value or 'chaotic'/disfunctional homes). Lumpen innit.

of course politics is the problem a bit Tories had to ringfence spending to avoid accusations they were going to decimate the NHS/Education/Oversas aid Labour daren't touch the basic rate of tax All the 'easy' cuts have gone - and for the 'average VOTER' without that much effect on their day-to-day experience, so going to get tough now and everyone will see some of the effects.....will be interesting to see if that changes overall views on tax though

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree with you too Jeremy. > > So what are people in favor of here as the > solution: > > 1. Increasing taxes (if so on who- all earners, > most earner except the poorest, only the highest > earners) > 2. Decreasing other benefits (i.e. universal > benefits currently enjoyed by even high earners) > 3. Increasing the deficit / government debt It will have to be all earners above the low thresholds - the fallacy the 'rich' , whoever they are,can pay for the defeceit is just that. A frightening proportion of Income Tax comes from a very small number (realitively) of high earners Universal benefits have been got for higher earning families - high earning pensioners is the obvious one. Delaying reduction would be the obvious solution given low borrowing costs but the Tories and certainly George Osbourne can't afford that politically "10 years of austerity and they still haven't got rid of the defeceit" The recovery hasn't delivered the sort of tax receipts that were forecast as there are so many in low paid occupations. Personally I think western welfare states are foooked in the long term through demographics and health costs. I think we are going to have to bite the bullet on a free at source health provision to beat this but that's never, ever gonna happen. Though i remeber when dental and perscriptions were universal. The solutions offered by the left and Old Labour (ie the new new Labour) wont solve this either IMO..."eventually ypou run out of someone elses momey"...or print some.

Really looking forward to this: http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2015/sep/15/i-believe-in-miracles-trailer-documentary-nottingham-forest-video

The targeting of Corybyn by the Sun/Mail etc is completley counterproductive as people start to ignore it all and even symptahise with him, understandably so You really don't have to look very far for idiocy in terms of his policies and appointments to date rather than his personality, so why the mail etc are going for the Poppy/Bowing non (made up) -story is beyond me

....wouldn't hear it in Iceland would you Lou zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

simonethebeaver Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also there have been several cases of people with > disabilities being forced to move out of homes > that have been (expensively) adapted for their > use, only for similar work to be needed in a new > one, or worse, for the work not to be done but > their quality of life to drop dramatically. > > I have no problem with people having strong > political opinions throughout their life. Why on > earth should someone in their 50s not want to go > on a march or shout about their beliefs? UKIP is > full of them. Yes. I remember all those UKIP demos that have ended in violence.....

Nope. But i did wear leg warmers on top of my jeans and plastic sandles with white socks

Nah.....spot me in this bunch RD :)

blah, back in the 80s I used to go on a lot of demos with Class war/Stop the City...they were pretty middle class then

PS I'm hoping to rouse Snorks from his slumber

That bit (the hacking)yest but it's loads of 40+s too, I don't really have a problem with students etc doing this stuff they're yopung naive twats it's the perpetually angry middleclass, middleaged ranters of the left that get right on my tits - both online and in the real world. Half them in Corybn's advisory team/cabinet now too :)

...then Football Focus and the reggae thread...it's a dead end.

I stuck up for DHFC on the West Ham forum, but over there I'm a lefty, middle-class, Guardian reading, cunt

middle class, left wing activists and those arrested included several in their 40s and 50s, or, like in the ceral cafe mob a whiole back, a 40 something academic. They are by and large spoilt, angry, middel-class tossers..social media is awash with these idiots too.