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if you've got to look you ain't got it

My nan married an italian from Bermondsey and she was from Mile End..I think the wedding booze up was probably 'lively'. Sadly for her (but thankfully for me) he died of TB a couple of years later.

Parkdrive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Irons...... > > > > > > > > I'm joking of course, Chelsea will blow up > > Not bad quids 3 out of 4 Thanks. I had a small bet on it too :)

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Better give the ferry a miss this summer then... The Beatrix is no more :)

"We're all going on a european tour"

The tuition fees only have to be paid back to those that earn above a certain amount, progressive taxation in essence. Labour was going to scrap them just to get a load of privileged middle class lefty students votes whilst the poor workers pay for it - regressive.

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lostcat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is so sad. Apart from a few exceptions, I > seem to have found myself among a sea of tory > voices. Is this representative of east dulwich or > is it just representative of this forum? Labour in only wanting to talk to Labour shocker - that's the party's problem. Never voted Tory in my life, nearly voted LD this time but I would have possibly voted Tory this time if it was a labour/Tory marginal. Didn't vote. Snorks, talk us through how scrapping tuition fees for the richest graduates was anything but regressive?

Don't start insulting the left wing, middle class, white, Guardianistas with your common sense there DaSilva

Free schools scrapped.Anti-academy rhetoric. Less choice, all run by our 'betters'

Better than plot 4447256adc23 chosen for me by some soulless Marxist bureaucrat in a sea of cheap, grey municipal granite

Yup, succoured and midi lodged by the state too long, all spirit gone just feed them with cheap booze, crap food and drugs

Alcohol and bitterness will do for you before the revolution takes me snorks

Don't worry snorks you can soon fook off back to the Stalinist paradise your chippy comrades from SNP will no doubt build, we'll miss you

The bashing the 'rich, thing was tedious and dangerous too - when I can be arsed I'll go and check but the top 30,000 earners in the UK contribute a staggering % of our overall income tax ( something like 10%) so the fallacy that they aren't somehow pulling their weight that Red Ed was bandying around is just that. Populist nonsense.

Grabot I agree with the trade thing generally - it's a red herring, the French and Germans will trade with us whatever we do as we are a massive market to them. The argument about trade is from the economic illiterate. But, where I agree with Loz is on the inward investment thing. This is a significant contributor of high end employment to London especially but not just in banking etc but also in high end manufacturing think Airbus, Honda, Nissan, etc. For the OP try not to live your life believing the propaganda on social media. The state will still be massive by the next GE, the NHS will still exist and my suspicion is that we'll still have a budget defeceit. Wouldn't have been much different under Labour but they'd have stalled investment with their populist anti-business nonsense and done very little to balance our books. They would have also restricted our choice as parents on education because, you know, they know best what,s good for my kids. Personally I wish the coalition had carried on but I,m glad useless Labour aren't in.

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was drunk when I started this thread You and the other 80% of thread starters

All the obvious ones - Pixar etc but have been reading Diary of a Wimpy kid with my boy and genuienly laughing out loud at some points and look forward to it (once we've done his school book reading of course) "Shall we do another chapter?"

bodsier Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-soci > al-conservatism-racism.html A U.S. Study that looks at 'social conservatism' in the U.S. had what relevance to the UK General Election exactly?

whilst I am sure there are some decent ones I've yet to find one I like. Still cheaper to drink at home and given I like to enjoy myself in a pub then no thanks, not my bag. Plus feels soooooo chainy

As a kid powercuts of 3 day week were brilliant - school shut down when it was too cold, candles and oil lamps, toast for tea toasted on a real fire

northdulmum Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Exactly #winterofdiscontent Sorry to be a political pedant but Powercuts/ 3 day week were under Heath in the miners strike 73/74 Winter of discontent wsa under Callaghan and was 'dead not being buried.rubbish not being collected' raher than powecuts

Even over at the Guardian there are signs of some reflection.... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/14/working-class-tories-are-not-just-turkeys-voting-for-christmas

I think the biggest problem for Labour is that old and unsolvable schism between the left and right in that the left has proper old school socialists, followed by pretty heavy state interventionists. Neither of these two really believes the deficit narrative and will be pointing to the Greens and the SNP as the way Labour should be going. These include McClusky, proper old school unions but also alot of the Merto Guardianistas and anyone who votes under 25 . Then you have the old Blairites (still a strong Caucaus in the PLP) plus a lot of aspirational workers plus a significant chunk of middleclass labour voters ? these believe in the values of labour but are a bit more right economically and do believe in the general politics around the deficit(this is also where a whole bunch of ex-Labour voters sit, not all). The difference on defeceit politics looks pretty unresolvable to me. Of course the schism exist in other parties. The conservatives is largely on Europe (and also a side one on the sane versus the insane ? social liberal and metropolitan vs the reactionaries0) but in general terms this can hold together a bit easier. In the Liberal democrats between proper lasiseez faire liberals (afraid of state/business having too much power) and the ex-hippy Greens bit (but this has now largely gone) Personally I?d now welcome PR now as I?d like to vote next time or the time after and it feels in the medium term with PR we may get some realignment around the middle ground that I?d feel comfortable with and Liberal Democrats ?nearly? represent ? socially liberal, economically rightish, a touch libertarian but more empathetic than the Tories. Not too much to ask for.

Green Goose you may like my political analysis but I do not share your views on immigration at all, just to make that very clear.