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Galloway too. I think people of all political persuasions be glad of that. Labour's trad working class support gone in Scotland but also a fair bit in the NE so far.

Anyway one day only to put up with the incessant shite of an election on social Media. please let there be a majority so we don't have to go through this shite again in the next year. PLEASE.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > bodsier Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Simple and clear cut analysis..... > > > > > http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/05/02/britain-f > or-the-love-of-god-please-stop-david-cameron/ > > Or, to summarise: the author took 77 graphs to > show he thinks Cameron is bad, but then concludes > that Miliband will only a teenie-tiny itsy-bit > better. Maybe. Was there No graph on either employment levels or unemployment. UK GDP growth compared to Other European countries cut off handily at 2012....wot no 2013 and 2014 figures, why on earth could that be? Surely not because they don't fit in with his anti-coalition narrative

A request just for you PGC

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david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > This labor party? A bunch of white collar > > public sector union apparatiks and North London > > policy wonks with naive lefty ideas about > > patronising hand me down 'progressiveness'. You > > think it truly represents them in a meaningful > > way? > > These are just such tired cliches - I should be > surprised but coming from you it's all I've come > to expect. > > Smug, trendy, sneering liberals who won?t let us > talk about immigration? It?s just a rightwing > delusion and a lazy substitute for thinking. You > sound like Jeremy Clarkson. > > Your pitch that ?we? are the norm, representing > the views of all right-thinking Brits and ?they? ? > the metropolitan elite ? try to stop us saying > what everyone really thinks is bullshit. > > Those oh so familiar targets of ?Hampstead > socialists?, or Islington Marxists. But hang on. > Your own Simon Heffer reckons the metropolitan > elite is all over Notting Hill too ? in the shape > of top Conservatives! Heffer sees David Cameron > and his chums as members of ?the expensively > educated metropolitan elite?. > > There?s always a temptation to believe that > everyone else thinks the same way we do, unless > there?s something weird about them. But it?s a > delusion. Your whole ?metropolitan elite? schtick, > which seems to have a range of mutually exclusive > definitions, is just a lazy substitute for > thinking, and a convenient way of marginalising > anyone you don?t agree with. > > An elite is by definition a tiny group that wields > power out of all proportion to its size ? like the > investment bankers who crashed the global economy, > for example, though for some reason they get away > with it. But anyone who has a degree or lives in > London or might vote for a party other than the > Tories and Ukip is supposed to be part of a > minuscule unrepresentative cabal. Simon Heffer is one of my own? News to me. We don't all live in your simplistic them or us world? Simon Heffer is a horrendous snob who wants a Tory govt. I want a lib Dem/conservative one as I said, if you read, rather than jumping into your splenetic rage. I never said nowt about immigration so stop your smearing crap again. Personalisation too. You are ticking all the boxes of intolerant 'progressives' argument - smear, personalise, shutdown. How about debating rather than insulting.

Lower turnout rates and defections to other parties aside ( see also Scotland) it's just tribal loyalty. Their great grandfathers founded the Labour Party in the face of horrendous social inequality, living conditions and employment practices. That Labour Party helped right those wrongs and was stacked full of these same people.This labor party? A bunch of white collar public sector union apparatiks and North London policy wonks with naive lefty ideas about patronising hand me down 'progressiveness'. You think it truly represents them in a meaningful way?

Miga I think you're confusing Marxist theory with marxist practice. To be completely clear I think large parts of Tory policy on welfare especially is pretty unpleasant and am very uncomfortable with the demonisation of benefit claimants whilst plenty of affluent pensioners ( and that,s the majority of them presently) get mass state subsidies they don't need but in the modern world the welfare state and provision of health and education need reforming or we will go bust. The Tories at least acknowledge this even if their execution isn't always right? If labour wins by the way they will either break their supporters hearts or the country...or maybe both. I completely support the Tories education policies a continuation of the excellent initiatives started by New Labour and which are finally turning our state education standards round quite dramaticallyand yet Red ED is going to reverse much of these as his union backers oppose reform. Miles away from its working class origins, The Labour Party is increasingly a niche party for the public sector unions, the client state and , of course, the 'useful idiots' of Hampstead and Islington - discuss

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Ps left wing pin ups like Krugman and Pinkerty. Krugman back in 2010'was ranting on about the sure to come mass unemployment in the UK. Still waiting. I think Pinkerty (Sp?) book is good and interesting but very western orientated in terms of the effect of globalisation and wealth and also carries the implicit assumption that wealth equality is morally right end of. Interestingly Pinkerty in the Observer a few weeks back was completely honest about the failure of the high tax rate in France in increasing revenue......so look forward to that Ed. the top 1% of earners in the UK contribute 12% of income tax revenue by the way so we do genuinely need to be a bit careful with that particular ' not pulling their weight' ,not in it together' populist nonsense .....

I can read the FT article perfectly well and it makes a lot of sense....but maybe I in some facist posh boy conspiracy too *sighs. Back in the real world the article actually critics the Tories and is saying it supports a continuation of the Current coalition (as I do). If it mattered here, as in it was a marginal I would vote Tory (for the first time in my life) over Labour but it isn't and I'll either not vote or vote LD. I think Milliband has run by far the most effective campaign but I think the Labour Party's tone on wealthcreation, the Rich and big business is at best naive thinking from a man and party that really wants to try what France has and take us back to the 70s or at worst populist rubbish...a bit of both. sadly in a global world which is pulling millions out of poverty we have to compete unless we think we can run a modern health service with an ageing population as some sort of pop up option funded by craft beer sales we need global investment and an enterprise culture. Labour increasingly looks more left wing - intervention, politics of envy, business bashing. Also many 'progressives, claim to liberal is quite frankly laughable it( the left) is by nature authoritarian, interventionist and top down on economics and social issues and smearing and shouty at opponents or pretending things aren't true if they go against the 'progressive' bible - see Rotherham or more recently Tower Hamlets...open minded my arse. I'd have them over UKIP but that's all.

Not West Ham?

Millwall and Wigan down.....couldn't have happened to two nicer teams

Good to see Cameron's a Hammers fan.....or was that Villa?

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Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hang on, middle class lefties are moaning because > a club is offering reasonably priced tickets? > > That's a bit of an odd one. Tory conspiracy= Borises mates- porn merchants-tory cow etc etc, negative,cynical, conspiracy minded, tossers of the highest order. They are probably still pissed off the Olympics wasn't a total failure.

The list of moaners was a list of the generic manners I've seen not saying you were a middle class Guardian reader I think you fall into the big club category of moaner - Utd could have cut their prices plenty of times based on high profile commercial deals etc etc they never did? People should be saluting West Ham. The criticism that really pissed me off was an article in Guardian and the comments thereafter which reinforced my prejudices totally on what a bunch of Cooonts their readership largely is....my good friends on here who read that rag excepted, natch

This week's is specially dedicated to Louisa

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Indeed, fair play West Ham, just hope some > other > > clubs follow their example. > > Yep, extremely generous considering they > contributed the princely sum of ?15m towards the > ?619m refurb, and only have to pay ?2.5m pa in > rent...guess who's picking up the tab? West Ham offered to buy the OS when Terry Brown was still Chairman and the oS wasn't even built - rejected. Spuds offered to buy the Stadium and Knock it down and rebuild the athletics track in Crystal palace (this was politically unacceptable given the legacy issue) so West Ham stepped in and made the offer to rent .....if West Ham hadn't then it would be sitting there empty getting bugger all income. There's a share deal on match catering etc. West Ham did a good deal that was acceptable not West Ham's fault...so stop the wining. You sound like the Foooking Guardian on this, cheap seats should be welcomed but just a chorus of Fooking moaning from rich clubs feeling threatened, winey middle class lefties, who couldn't give a shite about working class football supporters, and Spuds fans.

Oh come on you tedious bastards, same old crap and no mention of West Ham's magnificent pricing policy? I will be treating my kids to two ?99 Season Tickets (between 3) and a big one for me in 16/17 a whole ten years after I gave up my last one. It's brilliant, we'll fill that stadium, I'm genuinely chuffed and excited now all we need is a fit for purpose manager. Spurs pushed down to London's 4th biggest club, Millwall on the brink of relegation, my bets on watford for championship and Juventus for the Champions League both traded for a tidy profit...all is well in my football focus

Nah, it's just tedious now

Spring? Wasps don't get gpoing to late summer when the sugar rush kicks in. Loiusa I seriously think you need a break your work is moving into poor parody from the heights of the past.

Snorks - tedious boring repetetive sh1te or an assett to the EDF?

cunt

9/10 , reeled them in (to my amazement as I'd have this in at about 2/10 wasn't it for the witless f*cks of the EDF)...oh, hang on a minute, it's true