I had to re-read your post a few times to see if you weren't deliberately mis-representing me there Huguenot My point about "whinging Brenda" is not that she should be allowed to put here feet up at our expense - it was to illustrate that, rather than a system which is being mercilessly milked, we actually have a system which isn't too wrong. Whinging Brenda is at work. As are most of the people like her. Whereas I would hazard that most of the people on IB are there for a reason - not because they are scrounging