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rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Mandela explicitly said the MK was a terrorist > > organisation. The MK were more careful than > most > > terrorist groups in selecting targets but > > civilians were still killed. And, y'know, the > IRA > > and MK had joint operations, and happily > > collaborated with other dodge merchants: the > PLO, > > Gadaffi's regime, Honecker, the Soviet Union... > > That's funny, as at his trial Mandela quoted the > MK manifesto: > > Our men are armed and trained freedom fighters not > "terrorists". We are fighting for > democracy?majority rule?the right of the Africans > to rule Africa. We are fighting for a South Africa > in which there will be peace and harmony and equal > rights for all people. We are not racialists, as > the white oppressors are. The African National > Congress has a message of freedom for all who live > in our country. > > I can't find any records of deaths caused by MK > before Mandela was imprisoned, can you? And if > there were some, Mandela and his comrades were > fighting against apartheid (and only turned to the > sabotage plan after the Sharpeville massacre) - he > was not, as the very stupid post (not yours) above > claims, simply a violent man joining a violent > movement for an excuse to be violent, as his > actions upon his release amply proved. I actually > find it quite extraordinary that this point even > has to be argued. I have sympathy for Mandela and his fighting against apartheid and admire him for turning that into something remarkably positive. I feel pretty much the same way about Martin McGuinness. I'm not reducing either of them. I have admiration for both.

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rendelharris Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rodneybewes Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > rahrahrah Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > OF course it is speculation, yes. But like > I > > > say, > > > > I've always had a suspicion that certain > > people > > > > have violent tendancies and if they can > will > > > > gravitate to violent movements. > > > > > > Like chummy old Nelson Mandela in that > respect > > I > > > suppose. > > > > Sorry, can't let that pass: Mandela did not > > actually carry out any terrorist activities as > he > > was captured and imprisoned while they were > still > > in the planning stage. However, the activities > he > > was planning were specifically acts of > sabotage, > > chosen to eliminate casualties as far as > possible > > - it was planned to bomb railway lines and > other > > infrastructure at night when there would be > nobody > > around to be injured. To lump Mandela in with > > those of violent tendencies who join violent > > movements as an outlet for their violence is > > frankly shameful, I haven't heard that sort of > > cr@p since the Young Conservatives were going > > round wearing "Hang Nelson Mandela" T-shirts in > > the '80s. > > Mandela explicitly said the MK was a terrorist > organisation. The MK were more careful than most > terrorist groups in selecting targets but > civilians were still killed. And, y'know, the IRA > and MK had joint operations, and happily > collaborated with other dodge merchants: the PLO, > Gadaffi's regime, Honecker, the Soviet Union... Let's not let that get in the way of a good story!

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In short, don't be fucktard Rodders. A pathetic and gratuitous insult with no intellectual effort behind it at all, you don't even refute what I said. Go your way.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rodneybewes Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rahrahrah Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > OF course it is speculation, yes. But like I > > say, > > > I've always had a suspicion that certain > people > > > have violent tendancies and if they can will > > > gravitate to violent movements. > > > > Like chummy old Nelson Mandela in that respect > I > > suppose. > > Sorry, can't let that pass: Mandela did not > actually carry out any terrorist activities as he > was captured and imprisoned while they were still > in the planning stage. However, the activities he > was planning were specifically acts of sabotage, > chosen to eliminate casualties as far as possible > - it was planned to bomb railway lines and other > infrastructure at night when there would be nobody > around to be injured. To lump Mandela in with > those of violent tendencies who join violent > movements as an outlet for their violence is > frankly shameful, I haven't heard that sort of > cr@p since the Young Conservatives were going > round wearing "Hang Nelson Mandela" T-shirts in > the '80s. Tripe, he was leader of the MK and pleaded guilty to scores of acts of public violence. Amnesty International wouldn't take up his case because of it. It's odd how the hagiographists can't accept that he was a man who embraced violence and later became a man of peace, and you know what, it worked. The similarities between him and McGuinness are large - both men of violence who became men of peace and made a massive difference to their societies, both getting the peace prize for what they did. I won't bother with the young conservative jibe. Pathetic.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > OF course it is speculation, yes. But like I say, > I've always had a suspicion that certain people > have violent tendancies and if they can will > gravitate to violent movements. Like chummy old Nelson Mandela in that respect I suppose.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ???? Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Still waiting for an eulogy for the > terrorsist > > who > > > was shot outside the Houses of Parliament > > > yesterday..... > > > > > > You're a twat. That's a totally unneccesary > > comment designed purely to make you look good > and > > put someone else on the wrong side of an > argument. > > > > > > Transparent, and pathetic. > > > I genuinely couldn't give a toss what someone I > don't know on an internet forum thinks about me It shows

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > (name removed as every newspaper has just done > so) > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/abu > -izzadeen-london-terror-attacks-westminster-who-is > -he-police-politicians-a7644626.html > > Named very quickly by Police (edit: apparently as > that's been removed now too) > > Edit: added source as that Wiki page keeps > changing > > > If this wasn't the guy how did a load of > newspapers report it and Channel 4 then pull it Because they all see everyone else is saying it so just do the same thing instantly without bothering to check. Funny that.

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There is a tai chi class run by Mei Quan here: http://www.taichinews.com/branch/east-dulwich. This is not an outdoor class but I'd recommend it for beginners. After you have learned some of the basics you can do your own form or qi gong in the park by yourself very happily.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gorilla why not just talk to the lady and let her > know your concerns, perhaps then she can vary her > pitches, possibly giving several local residents > some respite. Here's how this conversation might look

bil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't understand this method of penalising > people without first providing viable > alternatives. Perhaps Southwark can install more > electric charging points on residential roads? > Hopefully electric/hybrids will become cheaper but > those with flats, terraced homes and front > gardens that don't have OSP (I think, the majority > of the SE22) won't be able to charge the vehicles. > Could the Mayor hurry up and improve SE22's public > transport connections into London e.g.local bike > scheme, a rail/tube service that delivers a > frequent reliable service; basic stuff that exists > elsewhere (albeit costly). If we have good > alternatives we shouldn't need cars but our > options are inadequate. Yes we want to prevent > avoidable deaths! If the Mayor and TFL are really > committed to this then they have to invest first > (yeah that would make sense!) I agree that they should do all they can to reduce the effects of pollution in London so I agree with this policy. And all the arguments against here were brought originally against the congestion charge years ago and that has improved central London no end. But you are absolutely right, they should invest in decent mass transit as well. It's all stick - where is the carrot?

Bovine Juice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Alex is still a couple of months away (we've > been sayng that for 18 months now). > > The train service to Penge is ok, rodneybewes. > Last train from Vic to Penge East is 00:35 and > they will be quarter hourly until midnight when > they change the timetable soon. Hi, yes from Victoria, from London Bridge way it's a bit of a faff. I get on at Kent House so it's quite nice to have the Clock House connection if things have gone pear-shaped on the Orpington line. There are of course a couple of magic trains that go straight to Blackfriars without passing go at Herne Hill.

The last trains in Penge are a little earlier than some places but if you miss them get the later ones which go to Forest Hill or Crystal Palace then Uber it. ?5-?7 and if you time it right it's waiting for you at the station, about 10 minutes from there. If there is a clusterfuck on the normal networks you can take an East Croydon fast train and then tram it back in - about 15/20 mins to Birkbeck, Avenue Road etc. I've done it a few times and it's a god send. As said the Goldsmiths is great, the Bridge House is more of an eatery but has the bonus of a theatre (intimate but also hot in the summer), I quite like the Crooked Billet but it's an acquired taste, and a couple more about to open. Eateries you have Friends of Flavours, the Crepes and Moules place and a cracking tapas bar down the Clock House end called El Molinos with a full range of Indian restaurants as one would expect. Lots of cafs including the newly opened Garden Cafe which specialises in egg related dishes including benedict and florentine - their burrito with egg is fantastic and will last you until tea time. The Penge Food Centre (PFC) is brilliant. Freshly baked Mediterranean breads including flat breads etc. Proper fresh veg and foods from all round the world. If you've ever had that recipe that suddenly demands galangal, rose water and kashmiri paprika then that is where you find it. And mountains of pickled gherkins - tons of eastern european stuff too. I moved here about a year ago and took an allotment next to my house, I've discovered nature is a right bastard and is out to get you. It's very green and chavvy in parts. It's ok.

Last time I had a nasty I downloaded the free trial version of Kaspersky and it zapped it when all else had failed. I didn't buy the full version it's a resource hog most of the time but it's a great nasty killer.

I did what right-clicking did and upgraded first, then a few weeks later did a clean install via usb. Got used to it very quickly and it runs quicker than win 7 did. Plus if you don't have an ssd they are extremely cheap now - upgrade that at the same time and your pc/laptop will run ten times quicker at least. It's like having a new machine.