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Area A Melbourne Grove experiences high levels of motor vehicle traffic currently - this could increase if some of the above proposals are implemented. We want to explore options with residents for either:- a northbound no entry restriction (south of the Tell Grove junction); or a permeable closure (no motor vehicles) between Tell Grove and Ashbourne Grove. Madness, absolute madness.

Buying icecream, takeaway coffee- both witnessed today- madness.

Not only that, this is meant to be a socialist council- go figure. Think this shows it has always been about the money. If not, why the need to plough ahead when there is so little traffic out there? I agree, community wardens on scooters could be put to much better use.

Thanks Monica. Perhaps Southwark Parking have yet to take this advice on board?

James, on another thread it is stated that Southwark Parking have confirmed that the new CPZ will go live on Monday and that parking wardens will be out to enforce? Is this true? What was Cllr Livinstone?s response to your suggestion, on behalf of residents, that for now the new CPZ and consultation should be suspended?

James McAsh, I have copied below from another thread on the general section. Surely this cannot be right? Can you please explain why Cllr Richard Livingstone feels it necessary to continue this work at the moment? I believe he is the person who decides? CROZZA said: looks like everyone in the effected area needs to move there cars on Monday. Utterly crazy. Not helping the isolation and must affect 100s of vehicles. Surely this can be stopped. Great to see the parking police out in force too. Surely that?s not essential?? Attachments: BECED759-74EA-41D7-9784-31AC3CDAB823.jpeg (548.9KB)

Coronavirus: Parking restrictions and controlled parking zones Parking restrictions and controlled parking zones (CPZ?s) play an important role in keeping traffic moving and ensuring that deliveries (especially essential medical supplies) reach their destinations on time. This is of paramount importance to the emergency services and key workers, who are providing essential services during this difficult period. I don?t really understand the thinking behind this statement in regard to the CPZ bit? Seems a little like opportunistic spinning. At a time when we are in lockdown and the majority are not driving how do the above help? Does this mean areas without CPZ will have traffic unable to flow and emergency services and key workers unable to do their jobs and essential medical supplies will not be delivered?

I would also suggest that at a separate time in future we recognise the role of carers and care home staff who will be putting themselves at risk in the coming weeks to care for the most vulnerable as well as elderly members of our society. This includes those working in care homes which may cater for young as well as old, as well as those working to care for people in their own homes. Many care workers are being asked to work with little or no PPE at all. Care work seldom receives the acknowledgement it deserves, perhaps now is a good time.

Pretty outrageous under the current circumstances. Does not reflect well.

Siduhe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > janmac Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > shouting at people and condemning people has > its > > own negative consequences. We have to be able > to > > function as a society during and after this > health > > crisis. > > For me that's exactly the point - people should be > taking steps to put society first, and their own > personal preferences second. I wouldn't dream of > calling out someone who is taking reasonable steps > to keep 2m apart from others while jogging in the > park, but someone who is running around without > any care of the people around them, expecting them > to get out of his/her way is something else. And > I'm absolutely fine with someone taking a > different view of the risks to their own health of > the coronavirus, but much less fine with someone > who knowingly chooses to put other people's health > at risk, so as not to be inconvenienced in their > daily life. That's what functioning as a society > means to me at least. Exactly this!

This is exactly the same attitude that causes dangerous driving in cars, dangerous driving on bicycles and now dangerous behaviour by joggers. It is a kind of tunnel vision that puts the ?perpetrator?s? need to achieve whatever goal they have in their sights foremost and screw anyone in their way.

That is appalling. I suspect that for individuals still exhibiting unthinking behaviour that until they have someone close that gets very ill or worse, they will continue with the illusion that it happens to other people not them. I have been alarmed by reports today of people in their 30?s with no underlying conditions dying from this in the last few days. Because so little is known about this virus we are all vulnerable.

James, thanks for your reply and appreciate that as a key worker you will have had a lot on your plate. It is good to know you are receptive and taking action. Most of all we need to support the most vulnerable as well as our NHS workers. I hope you also keep fit and well.

I understand your dilemma Seabag. My sense is we are low on testing kits period. So there should not really be a separate batch for private use unless these are surplus to requirements within the NHS. In short, private health resources should all be made available to those with greatest need which has to be frontline NHS staff and suspected serious covid19 cases, where testing best directs treatment. I may be wrong. Those who know more may be able to elaborate. It is very difficult territory I wish you well.

I think everyone in high risk groups has to follow government advice and simply be scrupulous about avoiding contact. If you can get friends to deliver food etc... that is the way to go. As already stated, testing is not an exact science but in my view any tests should be reserved for health workers in hospitals. I think it is bordering on immoral that anyone can purchase a test if they have enough money. We are all in the same boat. Some of us, including me, have close family in the very highest risk group and we are not pursuing testing.

Thanks for clarification.

Kings serves lambeth, bromley and southwark but I thought it was physically based in Camberwell, LBO Southwark?

I think the fear is pressure on local resources whether food or NHS. Also, given a part of the population is currently asymptomatic but highly infectious and London are two weeks ahead, then anyone travelling out risks spreading infection. Of course, those in second homes may be intending not to go out at all for the duration. However, to make that achievable they will have had to stockpile- still not a ?good look?.

So, ?escape to the country?, whether in car, camper van or, for a more extended period, to one?s second home (for those fortunate to have one), is also massively irresponsible.

Hi Sally, yes the CDC advice is directed to medical facilities but, as you conclude, the explanation indicates that C19 can be airborne at short distance, especially with propulsion (coughing, sneezing, forceful exhalation - panting). Outside, breezes can carry exhaled droplets further thereby aiding possibility of infection. Given people can be asymptomatic while infectious I think the risks are clear. Any group activity, whether cycling, walking, jogging is currently too high risk. I also think 2m may not enough in terms of social distancing. Agree the point about air recirculation in cars and this had occurred to me. This whole thing is a minefield!

I?d like to hear from some of those out and about mixing and socialising and not practising social distancing yesterday to try to understand their thought processes. How do they justify or explain their behaviour?

It is not thought to be airborne over long distances but short distances they are not so sure. So, even on bicycles, people should keep a good distance from one another.See https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infection-control/control-recommendations.html

It is a very generous offer and clearly well intentioned. I normally cycle but am now wondering if this is wise? Groups of cyclists stopping at lights etc may not be a good thing in terms of social distancing. If you are cycling you will probably be panting at some point. If only few cyclists probably okay but if cycling increases to avoid public transport then not so sure this is a good idea while C19 is a major threat to public health?

As a retailer yourself thanks Monica for reporting this. Shameful, selfish behaviour by some which should not be forgotten once this is all over.

It seems the Council are forging ahead with CPZ implementation, surely they could hold off until the Covid 19 emergency is over?