first mate

I think we all knew what Spartacus meant. Owned scooters or bikes are unlikely to be dumped around the place willy nilly, in the same way as share or hire scooters and bikes. The behaviour can hardly be said to be 'good' for the environment and it seems that is why they have now been banned in Paris. As is often the case, other cities that have endured these schemes for longer may follow suit. This thread is meant to be discussion about LTNs.

What a coincidence, rather like the unintelligible YouTube upload of the recent Council Assembly, where Cllr McAsh did his 'reverse ferret' on CPZ. This is the democratic process in Southwark.

It will be interesting to see what happens this winter. It felt like there was a big downturn in cycling last year, once the weather turned. On the plus side, perhaps there will be fewer Lime bikes just lying around.

When it gets to winter keep an eye out for running engines to keep those inside warm. I've seen it before.

Thanks Admin, good call.

It is ironic that parents of children whose lungs we are meant to be saving are sometimes the worst offenders. I also wonder how many will also fly off for their holidays this summer.

Sounds legal speak for just squeaked by, to me.

Is there more news on the two petitions against CPZ? Are they going to combine or present separately?

For some, not all.

Maybe for some, others not so much. CPR Dave, apparently there are issues with the CPZ site. Can this be checked? Duwlich Hill - this one has the most signatures: https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDisplay.aspx?ID=50000037&RPID=9133390&HPID=9133390 Nunhead - this one has 460 signatures. If it can get to 500 I think it has to go to a debate in cabinet which will really show them the strength of feeling and given what's just happened in Uxbridge it might make them have a think... https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgEPetitionDisplay.aspx?ID=50000035&RPID=9133395&HPID=9133395

Don't worry, I don't think anyone thinks you have headed up and all powerful cyclists lobby. But the cycling lobby groups have had the ear of Southwark Council for some time and at one point you could even see the incredibly chummy, mutually backslapping communications between them. Lobby groups can be very powerful, not even worth debating that. It just so happens, in this case, that the needs and agendas of each help further the other. I don't know what you mean by JFK. Was he a cyclist? Bit left-field Mal, even for you.

Thanks CPR Dave.

But I don't think Rocks does do that, however much you want to create that impression. And he is himself a cyclist, so it doesn't quite make sense. You seem ever so sensitive about any hint of criticism around cycling behaviour; almost in denial. I think most of us who are not convinced by the LTN, CPZ, 'cycling rules' agenda, at least in so far as local implementation is concerned, have also expressed issues with car driving behaviour. I know I have. The title of this thread suggests that your focus is not local or is it?

I think there is little doubt that once they have dealt with diesel and then petrol cars they will go after EVs. Catherine Rose has said as much. They just don't want private cars in the borough, unless owned by a large hire car company.

Go to opposethecpz.org

Not so refreshing when it is ill thought out and undemocratic.

In terms of PSPOs, what would be the problem with one that said no cycling on pavements unless a dedicated, marked cycle lane?

I think people on both sides of the argument are busy and unable to attend meetings. Many of those people also have children but they live on the streets that are suffering displaced traffic and the negative effects of LTNs. Many residents oppose LTN's because they increase pollution on their streets. Clearly if you live in an LTN there is a stronger chance you are going to like it, humans are naturally quite selfish in seeking the best for their own, even if it is at the expense of others. That said, even those living within them see how unjust and inequitable they are and oppose them. Given the 'selfish gene' element, I really do not see that parents or non parents on either side of the debate are any more or less community-minded.

Ex, I assume there will soon be a big increase in parking wardens, or CSO's, they should be well placed to 'police' poor cycling behaviour as they go on their patrols. I don't believe I have ever seen any guidance from the organisations mentioned. It does not feel as though it is 'out there'. Sure there are still those who ignore guidance on safe driving, but there are penalties if you are caught. The whole cycling on pavements issue is wide open to abuse and the council are turning a blind eye.

Nonetheless, anyone who does wish to take a stand on this can go to opposethecpz.org

But I live in Southwark and they have a big role in managing the roads and pavements, and they apparently have a whacking great cash surplus farmed from that role too. Perhaps some of that money could be used to manage cycling behaviour, rather than leaving it to the police. There is also a great deal local cycling activists and cycle lobby groups could do to get the word out that it isn't 'cool' to cycle on pavements.

Yes go to opposethecpz.org

The current laissez faire attitude to cycling on any pavement and general muddled approach by the council has encouraged this behaviour, albeit illegal. Convenient but slightly misleading to say it's all the fault of the public in encouraging delivery by e-bike or scooter. The aim is to encourage use of such vehicles for myriad businesses, is it not? I suspect there are also those who just enjoy speeding and the thrill of dodging obstacles and pedestrians. Doubt it is just delivery drivers.

It is good to see that there is some sort of record of what was said by Cllr McAsh on CPZ plans at the recent Assembly. That was the meeting where the sound was so bad on the YouTube video, it was unintelligible. On reassurances that he gave in the past he is pretty shameless, saying that because there is a new plan no undertakings or promises given prior to that count in any way. We should all remember that. https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/southwark/councillor-under-fire-for-a-blog-post-from-4-years-ago-that-contradicts-councils-cpz-policy/

Thanks Joe, I am hoping that if there are obvious attempts to derail a thread that you have some consequences up your sleeve. It is hoped that the era of the serial thread saboteur is now at a close!