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Some interesting stuff from Council Scrutiny session onEnvironment and Leisure. It gives detail on Council ambitions for CPZ, LTNs, hire bikes and stated mission to have hire bike hangars on the roads, necessary storage for when we all give up our cars, including e-cars. Cllr King raises an interesting question as to whether emissionsmeasured are sometimes mixing woodburner with vehicle emissions.

Some interesting stuff from Council Scrutiny session on Environment and Leisure. It gives detail on Council ambitions for CPZ, LTNs, hire bikes and stated mission to have hire bike hangars on the roads, necessary storage for when we all give up our cars, including e-cars. Cllr King raises an interesting question as to whether emissions measured are sometimes mixing woodburner with vehicle emissions.

Thanks, it's interesting to hear about the two plumbers and one electrician who work using e-bikes in London... but doesn't really help the bulk of us who are going to have to fork out even more for basic house maintenance in addition to what will be regular parking permits. Just cannot see this mode of transport taking off en masse among general building trades any time soon. Happy to be proved wrong though. If I have understood, all day permits are £33.80 for the first ten days, rising to £60.80 per ten days thereafter? Given the recent massive hike in residents parking permits I wonder how long it will be before all day visitor permits also get hiked?

Who has this alleged "poor and exclusionary" behaviour silenced? It certainly hasn't silenced you! Hyperbole is definitely a tactic though. No doubt you will now say I have put words into your mouth.

Well for those residents in need of home adaptations, maintenance work etc.., get it done soon. Cannot imagine what the costs will be after 2025. Looking forward to plumbers, electricians and builders on cargo bikes services.

I will look again. When I saw the yellow sign yesterday, it looked as though the drop off was on Colyton. Happy to be corrected. But, creating a designated taxi drop off point seems at odds with a lot of the Council's stated aims around car use.

Encouraging use of taxis to access an event in a park seems at odds with the council's stated desire to reduce car use.

ED did not successfully challenge CPZ, instead a fair number of streets voted against. Because the council had promised to honour the majority verdict of each street it meant that a fair few streets are still CPZ free, which has stemmed CPZ rollout for now. In fact, this created a bit of a problem for the council as one key street had a majority against CPZ and had the council honoured its promise to allow the majority view, it would have reduced parking pressure in an area they wanted to be all CPZ. So in this case the council reneged on their own process and split the road in two, treating it as two distinct roads. Currently, many roads in ED are still CPZ free, however, I am sure the council will find ways to artificially create more parking pressure soon. They are pretty creative at this sort of thing.

I see that the entrance to the park on Colyton road is a designated Gala taxi pick up and drop off point. Has that been the same in other years?

Mr Chicken, I am not putting words into your mouth. On Wednesday you posted rather more words than I on the subject. You said: "Every time I drive, I deeply wish the council would do more to get people out of cars, because when I need to drive, I find the roads very clogged. We know many of the journeys are ones that couldbe done with other means of transport in principle, but not inpractice given London as it is now". What were the journeys that made driving necessary in your case? Or are you saying that journeys where you 'need' to drive are not actually necessary?

Malumbu said "It looks as if everyone is now happy with LTNs." Don't know how you decided that? Clearly everyone is not.

Duncan, fair point. Not deliberate, it is just that all the issues LTN, CPZ, parking charges, are intertwined.

Mr Chicken, It is glaringly obvious you are going after Rockets in an apparent attempt to discredit him. It is lovely that you are personally only experiencing benefits from the imposition of LTNs, however many are not and that fact is not going to disappear just because it suits you. Such is the strength of feeling that if one of the most vociferous pro LTN posters is found to be not practising what they preach, you should not be surprised if they are called out. In an earlier post you commented that fewer cars on the roads- as a result of LTNs- would mean that when you need to use a car it will make your journey easier. This suggests you do see a 'need' for car journeys? Can you elaborate on what you would term a necessary car journey and whether this would ever apply to you?

Still dire.

Be warned, the council have a special way of doing CPZ consultations, using a street by street approach because they know that they can better get CPZ started that way. What they are unlikely to do is a whole area consultation. So you'll find some streets say yes and others say no. But streets that say no and that are inevitably affected by displaced parking from the streets that said yes, then start to want CPZ. This way CPZ 'creep' is primed and ready to go. Look out too for sudden imposition of loads of double yellow lines, to further reduce parking spaces, thereby artificially creating parking pressure and the need for CPZ. Oh and you'll find lots of people outside your area get involved in and have a say, for instance Southwark Cyclists and its members from all around the borough will probably be able to get involved in the consultation and they will be very pro CPZ.

I would add, what's good for the goose is good for the gander!

Out round Bellenden yesterday, quite a few cyclists but not one using dedicated cycleway..why I don't know, but other than me it was empty.

Massive assumption there Earl and just not the reality.

Now no sign of a missing parcel, posted over a week ago. Customer Services said tracking showed it had arrived at Peckham sorting office 5 days ago. There has been no attempt to deliver. I don't understand how they are getting away with this.

You are not responding to my comments, other than with deflections. I had already said, in an earlier post, that I think most people round here are already reducing car journeys, cycling more, using public transport where possible, walking. Local stats, as cited by Rockets seem to evidence this. Do you think that those with major caring needs, mobility issues and work that requires a vehicle should simply out up and shutup?

Because you are talking in generalities not specifics, what applies in one part of London may not hold elsewhere. Different demographics, different geography, different infrastructure. It is complex but the approach to the issue is overly simplistic and is creating as many problems as it seeks to solve.

I notice you qualify necessary journeys as involving children and travelling longer distances, moving large items. You have totally ignored the issues of the vulnerable, those with mobility issues, those requiring frequent care, either by professionals or family, those who must have a vehicle for their work. When you refer to "all the data", is this ED specific data or crunched from figures UK and even European wide?

Don't you think a lot of people in this area are already doing most of the above? The fact remains that a vehicle is often necessary for certain types of occupation and to service the needs (needs not wants) of the vulnerable or elderly. You know this to be true. We are not talking about transport of items from the UK to our second home in France ( definitely in the want category) but serious, genuine needs.

But Earl, they are using every possible means to extend CPZ, they are not intending to limit it to areas around the station, they want it borough wide.