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Yes, funny that. Meantime, ED area is 'brightened up' with ghastly murals in primary colours as was introduced in NX road. Apparently also by popular demand from local shopkeepers.

Yes and replaced with...wait for it...car parking.

Well said Rupert. rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > redpost Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > richard tudor Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Speaking with a friend he told me that his > son > > who > > > lives outside of london but has been coming > > > through DV for the past 8 days has just been > > > informed that he has been fined on every day. > > He > > > had no idea you could not go north. > > > > > > He said he did not see the signs and just > > followed > > > the flow of traffic. When he was told told he > > > looked and said it was impossible to see > these > > > signs unless you were looking for them. > > > > > > So 8 days pay going to Southwark in fines to > > keep > > > Dulwich residents in their bubble of peace. > > > > > > Just how much is this scheme fleecing people? > > > > > > There are many idiot drivers who speed and > drive > > dangerously, does he blindly follow them? > > > > Just tell him it's a new government tax on the > > inattentive, the signs are perfectly visible > and > > easily comprehended if driver is fully engaged > and > > concentrating. If he feels differently, then he > > has the right to fromally object and lie that > he > > couldn't see the sign even though in truth he > > wasn't looking in the first place. > > So every driver that has been caught out is in you > words > > "There are many idiot drivers who speed and drive > dangerously, does he blindly follow them?" > > As most of the posters on this thread have said > you do not see the signs until it is to late. > > Think you need to grow up a bit.

It's the sort of radical and 'fresh' approach that should have the council biting Alice's arm off. heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Love that idea Alice EDG - buses, bikes, taxis, > blue badge and residents only. Court and Calton > cars. Fixed! Melbourne, Elsie etc. LTNs could go, > because EDG no longer a car route and as EDG is a > school road the improvement in air quality, faster > bus journeys and safer cycling will be great for > the school children.

So what is the price of the kit and fitting? How long does the battery last and what is price of replacing? What weight does it add to the bike? In terms of battery size, how small are we talking? Guessing if bike theft becomes more and more commonplace insurance charges may increase?

I am open to the idea of e-bikes. For how long would you feel comfortable leaving your e-bike locked up and unattended? How do you carry larger amounts of shopping on your e-bike? What sort of locks do you use, given e-bikes are expensive? Surely for anyone less than reasonably fit, carrying around a battery is not so easy?For further distances, how have you found using an e-bike on trains? What about the serious hills either end of ED? No need to reply but curious about your home set-up and storage. Do you live on a ground floor with plenty of storage space? Where/how do you store your e-bike for secure but easy access? I am not saying these are not a good idea but am dubious about how practical they really are for the elderly and those with more significant mobility issues. On a separate note and bringing things back to the thread title, if more bike lanes were added in ED would these also be open to those using mobility scooters. In the past some cycling lobbyists have been very resistant to this idea for fear it would slow commuting cyclists down, they felt the proper place for mobility scooters was the pavement or bus lanes. This also raises interesting questions about who cycle lanes are for, those afficionados who wish for the freedom to cycle everywhere as fast as possible or slow, cautious cyclists?

And, as another cycling lobbyist has pointed out in the past, e-bikes are heavy and not the sort of expensive item you'd want to leave chained up anywhere. So, for the elderly etc.., how flexible is the e-bike option, in reality? What would they be able to use e-bikes for? Not shopping, not for appointments. Not a lot really.

Agree with you Rockets.

Indeed, not had a thing from the council, despite being within area.

Yes, independents are what we need.

Cyclists, unless they are mountain bikers, do need reasonably well kept roads so it is not impossible that in time cyclists may also get taxed for road upkeep.

I've had quite a few near misses when out cycling and the worst offenders have been other speeding cyclists.

So let those who are able to make the adjustments to lifestyle. Let those who are vociferously pro LTNs but who still own a car, cease car ownership. That's a start. At a time when many are under incredible pressure to earn a living, care for relatives and just survive, forcing extreme lifestyle changes in a matter of months is divisive and unhelpful. If you are merely inconvenienced by LTNs that is one thing, for others the impacts are a lot more serious.

Can you imagine the fuss if the all powerful of Dulwich Village were made to bear the brunt of overflow traffic from the impacts of the scheme elsewhere? No, for reasons of political expediency, they are protected. Our Labour councillors are complicit.

I wonder if skateboard wheels are counted too? It would be useful to find out for sure what the monitoring strips on Melbourne are for?

There'll be a sharp rise once the weather warms up. There are fair weather cyclists aplenty and that is great, but not an accurate refection of effects of road closure all year round.

But if you wanted it/ needed it you could have it. There are plenty of things we are taxed and pay for that do not necessarily benefit us individually.

Melbourne grove MP management was always dysfunctional. TJ GP is same lot, but handed over this prize site anyway. How did that happen?

Oh no, where are they moving to? They are an extremely useful service, really hope the area is not losing them altogether? smooch Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > James > It appears that Callow Locksmiths in the Melbourne > grove is the first long standing local business > that is having to move due the problems caused by > LTNs - personally I don't think they will be the > last. > > Have the council actually communicated with local > businesses? I can see from a number of traders on > twitter that they are not being responded to - it > would be such a shame if our local businesses > (which are part of the appeal to this area) are > being forced to close due to lack of access OR > such a highly polluted high street. > > The ongoing discussions about delays to emergency > vehicles (in particular ambulances) and the > dreadful pollution now on the main roads where the > majority of people/children are walking or cycling

Still cannot believe you continue to own and use a car Malambu.

That is awful, how can they get away with it? Mind you, a neighbour has a blinding security light that fires up randomly and they don't seem to care who it affects either.

Not right they are doing cycle movement counts in summer months if that is the only counting that'll be done. It would seriously skew results.

MG is a street where nearly all the houses have large gardens, why would it be necessary for children to play in the street? As you say, most will be inside doing something. claresy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I haven't seen a single child playing on closed > off Melbourne Grove despite the tasteful bits of > bunting and tubs of chalk. They're probably inside > on their Play Stations! What I have seen is it's > now impossible to get a bus from East Dulwich to > Denmark Hill station in under half an hour, so was > obliged to drive to work the other day! How is > that good for the environment? I won't even > mention the impact on local shops and emergency > vehicles.

Dulvilleres, Don't be surprised. It is the frustration of those who are not as fortunate as you seem to be in terms of the impact of LTNs on their lives, who feel they are not being listened to and have little or no voice in the processes that have led to the implementation of LTNs.

We cannot afford to be losing health professionals. I am certain you are not alone in feeling like this. Concerned2021 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I work for the NHS and have to drive to carry > bulky equipment. I will certainly be looking to > leave London as soon as my children finish school. > Driving and managing the impacts of this is > becoming increasingly stressful.